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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4545 on: April 21, 2022, 06:55:18 PM »
Some estimates suggest the unofficial death count may be 20 percent higher than the publicly touted one.


COVID-19 death undercounting also has political implications, says Stokes. Since most death investigations occur at the county level, he says, the official cause of death is often determined by elected coroners who may be motivated by political bias to downplay the pandemic (and who typically receive less formal training than medical examiners).
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/underreporting-covid-19-deaths/


Nationwide, nearly 1 million more people have died in 2020 and 2021 than in normal, pre-pandemic years, but about 800,000 deaths have been officially attributed to COVID-19, according to the CDC data. A majority of those additional 195,000 deaths are unidentified COVID-19 cases, public health experts have long suggested, pointing to the unusual increase in deaths from natural causes. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/12/22/covid-deaths-obscured-inaccurate-death-certificates/8899157002/
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4546 on: April 21, 2022, 07:06:20 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 21, 2022, 06:19:27 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-lowers-coronavirus-death-count

"Colorado has made a stunning and significant change to the way it counts COVID-19 deaths that reduced the statewide figure from more than 1,000 to 878, according to a report.

The change came after Colorado’s Department of Public Health admitted that its COVID-19 death toll was counting those who tested positive for the coronavirus but had died of other causes, Fox 31 Denver reported late Friday.

The department now says 1,150 Coloradoans who died had COVID-19 but only 878 of those deaths were “due to” COVID-19.

"We have been reporting at the state, deaths among people who had COVID-19 at the time of death and the cause of that death may or may not have been COVID-19,” Dr. Eric France, the health department's chief medical officer told the station."

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-reports-fewer-covid-19-204027980.html

"(Reuters) - The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 966,575 deaths from COVID-19 on Friday after it corrected the data earlier this week, which reduced the death tallies in all age-groups, including children.

The health agency, in a statement to Reuters, said it made adjustments to its COVID Data Tracker's mortality data on March 14 because its algorithm was accidentally counting deaths that were not COVID-19-related.

The adjustment resulted in removal of 72,277 deaths previously reported across 26 states, including 416 pediatric deaths, CDC said.

The reduction cut the CDC's estimate of deaths in children by 24% to 1,341 as of March 18."

Ask the bureaucrats why they're padding the death totals.

Sounds like they hire shitty algorithm engineers. Same dudes who do the initial jobs reports, probably.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4547 on: April 21, 2022, 07:57:07 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 21, 2022, 06:19:27 PM

...Ask the bureaucrats why they're padding the death totals.

I thought it was the doctors and hospitals that were overcounting COVID-19 deaths. 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/10/27/trump-claims-doctors-overcounting-covid-19-coronavirus-deaths-to-make-more-money/?sh=1cd77f306cb9

You should be happy the government bureaucrats are reevaluating and then revising the data where appropriate.   It’s what they do. 

The true death toll of COVID-19 may not be known for several years.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4548 on: April 21, 2022, 08:12:18 PM »
"The extra money for Covid deaths was debunked and only brain dead idiots ever bought that."

"The Rankin County coroner said he wrestles with family members who argue against citing COVID-19 on death certificates, then reverse course when they learn that the federal government pays for burials of people who die from the coronavirus."
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4549 on: April 21, 2022, 08:37:08 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on April 21, 2022, 07:57:07 PM
I thought it was the doctors and hospitals that were overcounting COVID-19 deaths. 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/10/27/trump-claims-doctors-overcounting-covid-19-coronavirus-deaths-to-make-more-money/?sh=1cd77f306cb9

You should be happy the government bureaucrats are reevaluating and then revising the data where appropriate.   It’s what they do. 

The true death toll of COVID-19 may not be known for several years.
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Lol.
Trump's comparing death statistics for countries based on their different Covid reporting parameters.
From earlier, a Covid diagnosis can result in increased reimbursement rates.
Trump is explaining how the system works, and why Covid death rates may vary between countries.
The headline is a mischaracterization.
 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4550 on: April 21, 2022, 11:16:05 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 21, 2022, 05:34:44 PM
So you think they were padding Covid deaths to somehow retroactively get the 20% mark up for having treating medicare patients?  I am not following the logic. The bonus is for treating Covid. Not for  Covid deaths.

Are they putting people on ventilators who do not need ventilators? If so, how does that relate to giving Covid as the cause of the death on the death certificate?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.
Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4551 on: April 22, 2022, 06:58:11 AM »
"The exceptional research value of these early sequences indicates also the appropriate scientific benchmark for judging those who erase or withold such evidence. History is full of ironies, but not many exceed the spectacle of prominent scientists, whose careers are publicly funded on the promise of identifying causes of infectious diseases, not wanting others to know the cause of the COVID-19 pandemic. Why, after all, did public institutions like NIH, NIAID, USAID, DOD, who have showered money on the EcoHealth Alliance, supposedly to prevent pandemics, not fund widespread searches for early SARS-CoV-2 infections at the very start of the pandemic?"

https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/delete-deny-and-destroy-chinese-and-western-strategies-to-erase-covids-origin-are-being-exposed-by-independent-research/

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4552 on: April 22, 2022, 07:00:39 AM »
I am going to guess they will say they were focused on stopping the pandemic at the time
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4553 on: April 22, 2022, 07:07:49 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 22, 2022, 07:00:39 AM
I am going to guess they will say they were focused on stopping the pandemic at the time
Then why were we told that it wasn't transmissible?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4554 on: April 22, 2022, 12:39:20 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 21, 2022, 08:12:18 PM
"The extra money for Covid deaths was debunked and only brain dead idiots ever bought that."

"The Rankin County coroner said he wrestles with family members who argue against citing COVID-19 on death certificates, then reverse course when they learn that the federal government pays for burials of people who die from the coronavirus."

This is completely different. It is funeral expense reimbursement that "must go directly to individuals" from FEMA.

It is not extra money to hospitals or doctors.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/federal-program-offers-cash-cover-covid-19-funeral-81945189

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4555 on: April 22, 2022, 01:02:15 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 22, 2022, 07:07:49 AM
Then why were we told that it wasn't transmissible?

I don't remember that part. I remember they were quarantining people from China (but not people who had BEEN to China).
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4556 on: April 22, 2022, 01:16:59 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on April 21, 2022, 11:16:05 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.
Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
The leading cause of death is birth. Everyone who is born, will die.

You guys have quite a circle jerk here. COVID is pretty bad. Is it 10% more bad or less bad than some number that isn't pinpoint accurate because we are cobbling up stats over 350 million Americans? Who cares. Objectively, it was very bad.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4557 on: April 22, 2022, 02:35:03 PM »
The 2 cases cited would have died without medical intervention.

How many lives are saved annually?
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« Reply #4558 on: April 22, 2022, 02:50:17 PM »
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« Reply #4559 on: April 22, 2022, 02:53:27 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on April 21, 2022, 11:16:05 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.
Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.

That 440,000 number is 2/3 of all hospital deaths.

This is another one of THOSE John's Hopkins studies.
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