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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2280 on: June 05, 2021, 11:55:15 AM »
Last week I was at the Intercontinental in Chicago for three days of meetings with nearly 100 colleagues.

Our Canadian colleagues bemoaned their police state and restricted access to essential goods via video meeting.

My next door neighbors own a home in western Ontario where they usually spend the summer. They’ve been vaccinated since March and they’re hoping maybe they’ll be able to go by late summer.
That kinda sucks.
I assume they missed last summer too.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2281 on: June 05, 2021, 12:16:38 PM »
Last week I was at the Intercontinental in Chicago for three days of meetings with nearly 100 colleagues.

Our Canadian colleagues bemoaned their police state and restricted access to essential goods via video meeting.

My next door neighbors own a home in western Ontario where they usually spend the summer. They’ve been vaccinated since March and they’re hoping maybe they’ll be able to go by late summer.

Looks like your Canadian colleagues have some work to do to convince their fellow citizens that the border should be reopened for non-essential travel.  My guess is that your vaccinated neighbors will be able to visit Ontario sometime this summer. 

Canadians divided on timing of U.S. border reopening, new survey finds

“A new survey by the Angus Reid Institute found Canadians nearly evenly split on when in 2021 the U.S. border, closed since March 2020, should reopen for non-essential travel.”

"According to the survey, 23 per cent of those polled say the border should reopen immediately, while 29 per cent said Canadians and Americans should wait to cross the 49th parallel until sometime this summer.”

“27 per cent of those surveyed responded it would be better to wait until the fall, while 21 per cent said the border should remain closed to non-essential travel until at least 2022.”

“Eighty per cent of those who responded said a two-week home quarantine should be necessary for those who did not have proof of full vaccination.  With vaccination proof, the number supporting quarantine dropped to 48 per cent.”
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/canadians-divided-on-timing-of-u-s-border-reopening-new-survey-finds-1.5444377


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2282 on: June 05, 2021, 03:09:42 PM »
A side note. When I was in high school,  socialized medicine generally meant just that.  In other words, the so-called Beveridge Model; in which the doctors, nurses,  hospitals and so on are government employees.  The British NHS was cited as an example of Socialized Medicine.

Also, single-payer health care usually meant just that. The same as the national health insurance model. Socialized insurance, but private medicine. Canadian style single payer was often cited.


 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2283 on: June 05, 2021, 03:51:36 PM »
I did mention Italy and their mortality rate of over 200/100,000. Italy has socialized medicine.

Italy’s Health Care System Groans Under Coronavirus — a Warning to the World

"In less than three weeks, the coronavirus has overloaded the health care system all over northern Italy. It has turned the hard hit Lombardy region into a grim glimpse of what awaits countries if they cannot slow the spread of the virus and ‘‘flatten the curve’’ ..."
Published March 12, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

Italy has a world-class health system. The coronavirus has pushed it to the breaking point
March 13, 2020
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/italy-has-world-class-health-system-coronavirus-has-pushed-it-n1162786
« Last Edit: June 05, 2021, 03:55:06 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2284 on: June 05, 2021, 04:06:20 PM »
Weren’t Canadians making fun of us last year?

How many beds in hospitals per capita does Italy and Canada have compared to here ?

I bet not as many
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2285 on: June 05, 2021, 04:40:21 PM »
Weren’t Canadians making fun of us last year?

How many beds in hospitals per capita does Italy and Canada have compared to here ?

I bet not as many

per 1,000 people

Italy 3.1 2019
USA 2.9 2017
Canada 2.5 2018
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2286 on: June 05, 2021, 06:49:24 PM »
Italy’s Health Care System Groans Under Coronavirus — a Warning to the World

"In less than three weeks, the coronavirus has overloaded the health care system all over northern Italy. It has turned the hard hit Lombardy region into a grim glimpse of what awaits countries if they cannot slow the spread of the virus and ‘‘flatten the curve’’ ..."
Published March 12, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

Italy has a world-class health system. The coronavirus has pushed it to the breaking point
March 13, 2020
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/italy-has-world-class-health-system-coronavirus-has-pushed-it-n1162786

My comment was a result of it being said that I was making a case for socialized medicine when comparing Sweden and California mortality per 100,000.
I had mentioned Italy in a previous post only because their mortality per 100,000 was very similar to that of Michigan, and that Italy was hit hard and early when nobody knew what to do.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2287 on: June 05, 2021, 11:14:49 PM »
neat, Nichi learned me something cool
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2288 on: June 06, 2021, 12:03:37 AM »
meh

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2289 on: June 06, 2021, 12:45:26 AM »
My comment was a result of it being said that I was making a case for socialized medicine when comparing Sweden and California mortality per 100,000.
I had mentioned Italy in a previous post only because their mortality per 100,000 was very similar to that of Michigan, and that Italy was hit hard and early when nobody knew what to do.

Your original premise was a clever cooking of numbers anyway

Sweden 141/100k
Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s district - 63/100k
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s district - 155/100k

Hint: the people in Pelosi’s district followed rules, in McCarthy’s they did not

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2290 on: June 06, 2021, 06:47:46 AM »
What are the rules ?
Anything to do with demographics like ethnicity, wages or salary, poverty level, education level ?
Or is it just that the people in Pelosi's district worked hard to follow the covid rules, while those in McCarthy's district didn't and just flaunted the rules ?
« Last Edit: June 06, 2021, 07:21:36 AM by Mn »

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2291 on: June 06, 2021, 09:59:14 AM »
Yes.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2292 on: June 06, 2021, 12:35:27 PM »
What are the rules ?
Anything to do with demographics like ethnicity, wages or salary, poverty level, education level ?
Or is it just that the people in Pelosi's district worked hard to follow the covid rules, while those in McCarthy's district didn't and just flaunted the rules ?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2293 on: June 06, 2021, 12:37:41 PM »
What are the rules ?
Anything to do with demographics like ethnicity, wages or salary, poverty level, education level ?
Or is it just that the people in Pelosi's district worked hard to follow the covid rules, while those in McCarthy's district didn't and just flaunted the rules ?
https://www.bakersfield.com/news/anti-government-shutdown-protest-springs-up-in-downtown-bakersfield/article_0a29a7cc-8bf4-11ea-b309-279e877a83b2.html

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2294 on: June 06, 2021, 12:52:20 PM »
It's not rocket science.

The dumbest people from high school are now the dumbest middle aged people.