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WTF is wrong with Minnesota?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #690 on: January 15, 2026, 11:08:54 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 15, 2026, 11:06:42 AM
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Bigotry, stereotyping,scapegoating. The purpose of this is obvious.

There are good and bad apples in every ethnic group. The left can and does the same sort of thing, painting all Trump supporters with the same brush.n
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #691 on: January 15, 2026, 11:14:29 AM »
AI Overview

Hundreds of children are killed by accidental shootings in the U.S. annually, with sources citing around 100-110 deaths per year for ages 0-14/17, though exact figures vary by reporting period and agency, with recent data showing a rise, and highlighting that most incidents involve a child finding a gun (often in their own home) and either unintentionally firing it or showing it to others.

Key Figures & Data Points

*CDC Data (2003-2021): Identified 1,262 unintentional firearm deaths for ages 0-17, averaging about 66 per year during that timeframe, with peaks in ages 11-15 and 0-5.

*Annual Averages: Around 106 children (0-17) die from unintentional shootings yearly, according to CDC/HCUP data, though others note over 100 annual deaths for ages 0-14.

*Recent Trends: 2023 saw over 400 unintentional shooting incidents involving children (shooter or victim), a record high since tracking began in 2015, indicating an increase.

Common Scenarios

*Location: Most incidents (85%) occur in a home or apartment, often the victim's own.

*Shooter Profile: In about half of cases, another person (often a brother or friend) fires the gun; in many, it's self-inflicted or by another child.

*Context: Shooters are often playing with or showing the firearm when it discharges.

Data Variation

*Figures can differ (e.g., ~100 vs. ~330 per year) depending on the age range (0-14 vs. 0-17), data source (CDC, GVA, etc.), and specific time frame, with recent years showing upward trends.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #692 on: January 15, 2026, 11:31:09 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 15, 2026, 11:03:58 AM
You mean you don't like the numbers, so you want to rely on anecdotal evidence; which is notoriously inaccurate and abused by bigots to scapegoat.
Nope.
I don't like unvetted people being flown into the country by the Biden administration and unvetted individuals being paroled into the country by the Biden administration so the Democrats can get the census numbers they need, the cotton pickers that they say the country needs or the voters that they need.
Those are the needs that Democrats have asked for. Ask the NY rep for her video saying she needs the constituents. Ask Pelosi for her videos regarding the produce pickers that the Democrats want. Ask Schumer for his video about citizenship for the illegals. Those people will become the voters.

Then tell me about Martha's Vineyard kicking the illegals out in a heartbeat. But after you let the residents of Martha's Vineyard that they are bigots who used excuses to scapegoat.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #693 on: January 15, 2026, 11:35:22 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 15, 2026, 11:08:54 AM
Bigotry, scapegoating. The purpose of this is obvious.

There are bad apples in every ethnic group. The left can and does the same sort of thing
 
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The right isn't making it difficult to rid the country of these people.
It's not bigotry and it's not scapegoating. These people should not be let into the country nor should they be protected by sanctuary status after they've come in.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #694 on: January 15, 2026, 12:04:24 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 15, 2026, 11:31:09 AM
Nope.
I don't like unvetted people being flown into the country by the Biden administration and unvetted individuals being paroled into the country by the Biden administration

We have been over this again and again.  If you want to say some of the screaming was less intense than usual due to volume, I will agree.

AI Overview

The claim that the Biden administration allowed "unvetted" immigrants into the country is misleading, as all individuals processed by immigration authorities undergo a vetting process, which includes security and background checks.

However, the administration has used humanitarian parole programs to admit hundreds of thousands of migrants without standard visas, a practice that critics argue has created a different pathway for entry with less rigorous screening than traditional immigration channels.

Key Points on Vetting and Entry

*All entrants are vetted: Immigrants, asylum seekers, and parolees are processed by the Department of
Homeland Security (DHS) and undergo various levels of screening and background checks, including biometric collection (fingerprints and photos) and inter-agency criminal and security checks with agencies like the FBI.

*Humanitarian Parole Programs: The Biden administration significantly expanded the use of humanitarian parole for nationals of specific countries (like Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela), allowing them to enter the U.S. legally if they applied online with a financial sponsor and arrived at a specified airport.

-These individuals were vetted for criminal history, potential fraud, and national security threats before entry.

-Critics of these programs argue that this process is less stringent than traditional visa processing, and the volume of people admitted strained the system.

*Asylum Seekers: Asylum seekers who are apprehended at the border are also processed by DHS, often released into the country with a Notice to Appear (NTA) in court, and given the opportunity to apply for asylum, which involves further vetting and interviews.

*"Gotaways": A separate issue is the large number of "known gotaways"—migrants who evade apprehension by Border Patrol. These individuals are by definition not processed by U.S. authorities and therefore do not undergo any vetting. This phenomenon is a point of significant national security concern for some critics.

In summary, the administration did not entirely eliminated vetting procedures for those encountered by authorities, but policy changes and high volumes of arrivals have led to debates about the thoroughness and effectiveness of the screening processes.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #695 on: January 15, 2026, 12:34:25 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 15, 2026, 11:31:09 AM
so the Democrats can get the census numbers they need

AI Overview

Including all residents, regardless of legal status, in the U.S. Census for the purposes of congressional apportionment has complex and debated political effects. While some studies suggest a potential, but minimal, net benefit for Democrats, recent analysis indicates that the partisan impact for the next census (2030) is uncertain and could favor Republican-leaning states.

Key Points

*Apportionment Basis: The U.S. Constitution and federal law require the census to count the "whole number of persons" residing in each state for apportioning House seats and, by extension, Electoral College votes. This has historically included both citizens and non-citizens (legal and illegal immigrants).

Minimal Historic Partisan Impact: Studies analyzing past censuses, including 2020, have found that the inclusion of undocumented immigrants has had a minimal net impact on the overall balance of power in the House of Representatives.

-For the 2020 census, most researchers estimated an effect of only two to five seats switching between states due to counting undocumented immigrants.

-States that tend to have high immigrant populations, such as California and Texas, gain seats, but these states have varied political leanings, which largely offsets a clear national partisan advantage.

*Future Projections (Next Census): The situation for the 2030 census is currently difficult to forecast, and projections vary.

-Some recent data for 2019-2023 indicates that a large majority (95%) of noncitizen population growth occurred in Republican-leaning "red" states. If this trend continues, Republicans could stand to benefit from the current counting method in the next apportionment.

-Other projections for 2030, assuming current overall growth trends continue, estimate a potential net gain for Democratic-leaning states of a few seats, though the primary impact comes from legal immigration, which is a much larger population than illegal immigration.

-Political vs. Empirical Views: The debate is often highly political. Republican lawmakers have introduced legislation to require only U.S. citizens to be counted for apportionment, arguing that the current system dilutes the votes of American citizens. Democrats generally oppose such changes, citing constitutional requirements and legal precedent.

-No Direct Voting Impact: It is important to note that undocumented immigrants cannot vote, so their impact on elections is strictly through the mechanism of population-based seat apportionment and subsequent redistricting, not direct ballot box influence.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #696 on: January 15, 2026, 12:42:36 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 15, 2026, 11:31:09 AM
cotton pickers .. produce pickers that the Democrats want.

Trump's immigration policies are also impacting the services and construction sectors.

This is one of the reasons we have economy growth without job growth, because there is a labor shortage.



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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #697 on: January 15, 2026, 01:53:43 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #698 on: January 15, 2026, 01:58:29 PM »
Quote from: Three Card MNte on January 15, 2026, 08:33:52 AM
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Trumpers are bootlickers

lol or maybe just trying to save the country from people like you
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #699 on: January 15, 2026, 01:59:05 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 15, 2026, 08:39:13 AM


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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #700 on: January 15, 2026, 02:16:40 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 15, 2026, 12:42:36 PM
Trump's immigration policies are also impacting the services and construction sectors.

This is one of the reasons we have economy growth without job growth, because there is a labor shortage.




Maybe the Democrats can get all of their activists into the labor market instead of having them prep for their next round of riots.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #701 on: January 15, 2026, 02:27:11 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 15, 2026, 01:59:05 PM
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Quote from: illiniray on January 15, 2026, 12:42:36 PM
Trump's immigration policies are also impacting the services and construction sectors.

This is one of the reasons we have economy growth without job growth, because there is a labor shortage.




The Democrats wanted to know who would pick the crops. Without their crop pickers, the crops would rot in the fields.
This was after their 'everyone is coming here for asylum' argument fell apart when migrants said they were coming for work.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #702 on: January 15, 2026, 02:35:43 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 15, 2026, 12:34:25 PM
AI Overview

Including all residents, regardless of legal status, in the U.S. Census for the purposes of congressional apportionment has complex and debated political effects. While some studies suggest a potential, but minimal, net benefit for Democrats, recent analysis indicates that the partisan impact for the next census (2030) is uncertain and could favor Republican-leaning states.

Key Points

*Apportionment Basis: The U.S. Constitution and federal law require the census to count the "whole number of persons" residing in each state for apportioning House seats and, by extension, Electoral College votes. This has historically included both citizens and non-citizens (legal and illegal immigrants).

Minimal Historic Partisan Impact: Studies analyzing past censuses, including 2020, have found that the inclusion of undocumented immigrants has had a minimal net impact on the overall balance of power in the House of Representatives.

-For the 2020 census, most researchers estimated an effect of only two to five seats switching between states due to counting undocumented immigrants.

-States that tend to have high immigrant populations, such as California and Texas, gain seats, but these states have varied political leanings, which largely offsets a clear national partisan advantage.

*Future Projections (Next Census): The situation for the 2030 census is currently difficult to forecast, and projections vary.

-Some recent data for 2019-2023 indicates that a large majority (95%) of noncitizen population growth occurred in Republican-leaning "red" states. If this trend continues, Republicans could stand to benefit from the current counting method in the next apportionment.

-Other projections for 2030, assuming current overall growth trends continue, estimate a potential net gain for Democratic-leaning states of a few seats, though the primary impact comes from legal immigration, which is a much larger population than illegal immigration.

-Political vs. Empirical Views: The debate is often highly political. Republican lawmakers have introduced legislation to require only U.S. citizens to be counted for apportionment, arguing that the current system dilutes the votes of American citizens. Democrats generally oppose such changes, citing constitutional requirements and legal precedent.

-No Direct Voting Impact: It is important to note that undocumented immigrants cannot vote, so their impact on elections is strictly through the mechanism of population-based seat apportionment and subsequent redistricting, not direct ballot box influence.
A NY Democrat was on video saying that she needed the constituents.

I don't need AI to tell me that one administration bringing in more immigrants than vetting can handle, and more than they choose to handle, wasn't deliberate. It was a census issue.
" ......their impact on elections is strictly through the mechanism of population-based seat apportionment and subsequent redistricting,"
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #703 on: January 15, 2026, 02:39:12 PM »
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Minnesota has the same Governor as the 2020 summer of love. And Minneapolis has the same mayor.

The 3rd precinct police station that they abandoned and let burn in 2020 still hasn't been addressed.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #704 on: January 15, 2026, 03:04:32 PM »
How long is a “heartbeat?”



Quote from: No one in Mn on January 15, 2026, 11:31:09 AM
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Then tell me about Martha's Vineyard kicking the illegals out in a heartbeat. But after you let the residents of Martha's Vineyard that they are bigots who used excuses to scapegoat.
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