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WTF is wrong with Minnesota?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #660 on: January 14, 2026, 05:51:00 PM »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #661 on: January 14, 2026, 06:47:21 PM »
You guys won’t like this. Killing of Renee Good expertly broken down by frame by frame.

https://x.com/mollyploofkins/status/2011527155310809349?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #662 on: January 14, 2026, 07:49:02 PM »
You are making shit up to defend this woman and her shitty cause. As Mn has pointed out numerous times the tires were pointed straight forward right around the moment the car lurched forward and the first shot was fired. It’s plainly obvious.

Yeah they were left and ended up right but at that moment they were straight.

If tires are turned from the left to the right they will be momentarily straight.

The shooter's own video shows the driver turning steering wheel to her right.

Also, the vehicle did not "lurch"

btw

I have not weighed in on the wisdom of citizens harassing ICE. I wouldn't do it..

I don't agree with the way ICE is operating and Trump making a public spectacle of it. They should operate quickly, quietly, and surgically. Not like an occupation force harassing random people.

There should be a way for migrant workers to be here legally

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #663 on: January 14, 2026, 09:43:21 PM »
You guys won’t like this. Killing of Renee Good expertly broken down by frame by frame.

https://x.com/mollyploofkins/status/2011527155310809349?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ

I’m glad we have experts like Molly Ploofkins to break things down frame by frame as if that makes any difference in a case where a split second was the difference
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #664 on: January 14, 2026, 09:48:17 PM »
I’m glad we have experts like Molly Ploofkins to break things down frame by frame as if that makes any difference in a case where a split second was the difference

As if those ICE officers haven’t been attacked before and being targeting, interfered with, and provoked. These sanctuary cities are ridiculous. Hell, the left is openly telling people to interfere and attack them…

https://x.com/dhsgov/status/2011632198000976086?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
« Last Edit: January 14, 2026, 10:00:35 PM by Judge Judy »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #665 on: January 14, 2026, 09:58:33 PM »
If tires are turned from the left to the right they will be momentarily straight.

The shooter's own video shows the driver turning steering wheel to her right.

Also, the vehicle did not "lurch"

btw

I have not weighed in on the wisdom of citizens harassing ICE. I wouldn't do it..

I don't agree with the way ICE is operating and Trump making a public spectacle of it. They should operate quickly, quietly, and surgically. Not like an occupation force harassing random people.

There should be a way for migrant workers to be here legally

Etc.

I do understand how the steering mechanics work. I understand that the wheels eventually went from basically left lock to right lock. I see with my own two lying eyes that the wheels happened to be pointed directly at the agent when she accelerated forward.

As Mn correctly noted, had the tires not slipped on the ice while they were pointed directly at the agent, she would have had a much more forceful contact with the agent.

Ironically, dry pavement might have caused her to hit him hard enough that he wouldn’t have been able to get clean shots off. In that case he’d have had to shoot from behind after he recovered from the initial blow. And maybe he would have, but even in that split second he’d have probably realized that wouldn’t fly and wouldn’t have fired.

It’s not getting talked about enough that he was drug and hospitalized by a vehicle over the summer and that almost certainly impacted his decision to act the way he did. So maybe if people weren’t fucking around with cars around agents, keeping them from doing their jobs while taunting them and mocking them, this probably wouldn’t have happened.

I understand you don’t like how ICE is operating but at the same time I’d hope you understand that when entire communities are hell bent on protecting illegal immigrants and criminals at all costs, swarming and blocking and “observing” and taunting and defying lawful orders and spending the better part of 3 mins blaring their horns and dancing to their own horn blasts while impeding the work of federal law enforcement, parking outside hotels where agents are trying to sleep and blaring their horns all night, encouraging violence and using overwhelmingly inflammatory rhetoric, etc, it makes any kind of tactical/surgical/quiet operation literally impossible.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #666 on: January 14, 2026, 10:18:27 PM »
I understand you don’t like how ICE is operating but at the same time I’d hope you understand that when entire communities are hell bent on protecting illegal immigrants and criminals at all costs, swarming and blocking and “observing” and taunting and defying lawful orders and spending the better part of 3 mins blaring their horns and dancing to their own horn blasts while impeding the work of federal law enforcement, parking outside hotels where agents are trying to sleep and blaring their horns all night, encouraging violence and using overwhelmingly inflammatory rhetoric, etc, it makes any kind of tactical/surgical/quiet operation literally impossible.

This is because Trump et al chose to make this a circus
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #667 on: January 14, 2026, 10:20:47 PM »
This is because Trump et al chose to make this a circus

Mmhmmm. The DHS sends out crews to do their jobs. It became a circus when people like Good made it a circus.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #668 on: January 14, 2026, 10:22:52 PM »
Yeah, ICE has no reason to think people wanna hurt them or could kill them. Especially by running them over…

https://x.com/icegov/status/2011516333838807231?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #669 on: January 14, 2026, 10:24:50 PM »
Mmhmmm. The DHS sends out crews to do their jobs. It became a circus when people like Good made it a circus.

She literally fucked around and found out. Plain and simple. She thought it was a far and got fucking shot. Again, plain and simple. She knew exactly what the fuck she was doing…
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #670 on: January 14, 2026, 10:33:28 PM »
Yeah the people aren’t doing anything to impede ICE. Then they whine and cry when they get ripped out of their cars and detained. Fucking idiots!

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #671 on: January 14, 2026, 10:37:04 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #672 on: January 14, 2026, 10:55:40 PM »
This is because Trump et al chose to make this a circus

Obama deported Millions and nobody really noticed. Obama had tactfulness.

AI Overview

The deportations under the Obama administration were not a major public spectacle primarily because of the administration's policy framing, enforcement methods, and media narrative, which focused on targeting specific individuals rather than broad, public roundups.

Key factors that contributed to this difference in perception and media coverage include:
 
-Targeted Priorities: The Obama administration shifted its focus to deporting individuals who posed threats to national security, had serious criminal convictions, or were recent border crossers. This was framed as a targeted, data-driven approach to public safety, which generated less widespread public outrage than the more general approach of other administrations.

-Lack of Public Spectacle: Enforcement actions often lacked the highly publicized, dramatic raids that characterized later immigration enforcement. Obama-era enforcement focused more on behind-the-scenes processes like workplace audits and data sharing with local law enforcement, which were less visible to the public and the media.

-Perception of Intent: While immigrant-rights groups criticized Obama's policies as being too harsh (earning him the nickname "deporter in chief"), the administration's actions were generally perceived as less driven by overt cruelty or racial animus compared to later administrations. The administration's rhetoric often included calls for comprehensive immigration reform and pathways to citizenship, which offered a more balanced public message.

-Statistical Nuances: The high deportation numbers under Obama included many individuals apprehended and processed for "expedited removal" right at the border, often without a formal court process. These "returns" at the border are less visible and newsworthy than interior removals that involve families already established in U.S. communities.
 
-Media Coverage: News coverage during the Obama years was different, with some analysts suggesting the media covered the actions of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) with a less critical tone compared to later years.
 
In essence, the Obama administration's approach was perceived as a more systematic, bureaucratic, and less confrontational method of enforcement, which resulted in less media attention and public controversy compared to approaches that utilized more visible and controversial tactics.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #673 on: January 14, 2026, 11:03:30 PM »
You guys won’t like this. Killing of Renee Good expertly broken down by frame by frame.

https://x.com/mollyploofkins/status/2011527155310809349?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ

But the wheels were spinning and had to make a split second decision.

wtf is a split second?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #674 on: January 14, 2026, 11:58:04 PM »
Obama deported Millions and nobody really noticed. Obama had tactfulness.

AI Overview

The deportations under the Obama administration were not a major public spectacle primarily because of the administration's policy framing, enforcement methods, and media narrative, which focused on targeting specific individuals rather than broad, public roundups.

Key factors that contributed to this difference in perception and media coverage include:
 
-Targeted Priorities: The Obama administration shifted its focus to deporting individuals who posed threats to national security, had serious criminal convictions, or were recent border crossers. This was framed as a targeted, data-driven approach to public safety, which generated less widespread public outrage than the more general approach of other administrations.

-Lack of Public Spectacle: Enforcement actions often lacked the highly publicized, dramatic raids that characterized later immigration enforcement. Obama-era enforcement focused more on behind-the-scenes processes like workplace audits and data sharing with local law enforcement, which were less visible to the public and the media.

-Perception of Intent: While immigrant-rights groups criticized Obama's policies as being too harsh (earning him the nickname "deporter in chief"), the administration's actions were generally perceived as less driven by overt cruelty or racial animus compared to later administrations. The administration's rhetoric often included calls for comprehensive immigration reform and pathways to citizenship, which offered a more balanced public message.

-Statistical Nuances: The high deportation numbers under Obama included many individuals apprehended and processed for "expedited removal" right at the border, often without a formal court process. These "returns" at the border are less visible and newsworthy than interior removals that involve families already established in U.S. communities.
 
-Media Coverage: News coverage during the Obama years was different, with some analysts suggesting the media covered the actions of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) with a less critical tone compared to later years.
 
In essence, the Obama administration's approach was perceived as a more systematic, bureaucratic, and less confrontational method of enforcement, which resulted in less media attention and public controversy compared to approaches that utilized more visible and controversial tactics.

JD Vance touched on Obama deporting people earlier today. They were counting people who got turned away at the border as deportations…

https://x.com/jdvance/status/2011427960775909717?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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