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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #240 on: January 22, 2024, 11:13:40 AM »
I don’t ever recall saying it was “stupid” to move on from Fields. I’ve always said I PREFER the path of continuing to build the roster. I’ve said two dozen times the case to move on from Fields has merit.
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« Reply #241 on: January 22, 2024, 11:15:37 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 11:12:00 AM
Survived Nagy, a tank, and Luke Getsy to still be considered a valuable commodity.

Tough call there - one of the best passing QBs in the league who’s proven he can win a Super Bowl, or a guy who “aurvived” Matt Nagy and was still worth maybe a 2nd/3rd round pick after three years.

After Stafford’s third year what would you guess his value would’ve been?
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« Reply #242 on: January 22, 2024, 11:15:51 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 22, 2024, 11:13:10 AM
I think if you count the losses against Stafford you should count them against Fields too.  I’m okay with counting them or not counting them, but counting W/L record for some QBs and not for others is obviously stupid.  The consistency is what’s important.  So I’ll let you pick - does a QB’s W/L record count for/against him or doesn’t it?

So three years of data in a terrible situation (including a full tear down) counts just the same as 10-11 years of data for Stafford? Not sure that’s a fair conclusion.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #243 on: January 22, 2024, 11:17:36 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 11:13:40 AM
I don’t ever recall saying it was “stupid” to move on from Fields. I’ve always said I PREFER the path of continuing to build the roster. I’ve said two dozen times the case to move on from Fields has merit.

Does a QB’s win/loss record count for and against them or not?  Let me know and I’ll make sure to be consistent with that in future arguments.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #244 on: January 22, 2024, 11:17:57 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 10:44:31 AM
Got the assist from back to back bad decisions from Josh Allen in the final 2 minutes. Shouldn’t have been greedy and taken the underneath stuff that was there.

The first decision was not bad. Guy was wide open in the end zone. He got hit as he threw.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #245 on: January 22, 2024, 11:18:47 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 10:41:36 AM
Minus DJ the “upgrades” didn’t really pan out. Remember how Chase Claypool was supposed to be an important part of Fields’ development? Pretty convenient how quickly Fields detractors forgot about him. The offensive line was better, but still not “good.” Getsy proved he doesn’t deserve the title of OC and was in over his head.

So Poles sucked as GM last year. Got it.
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« Reply #246 on: January 22, 2024, 11:19:46 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 11:15:51 AM
So three years of data in a terrible situation (including a full tear down) counts just the same as 10-11 years of data for Stafford? Not sure that’s a fair conclusion.

Feel free to only use Stafford’s first three years in the league, or first 38 starts.  You used Stafford’s whole time in Detroit before when you were making an argument about his record so I was following your lead, but if you want to limit it to his first three seasons that’s fine with me too.

I just want you to be consistent.  If drops count, I want them to count for everyone.  If W/L record is a valuable metric for a quarterback, I want it to be a valuable metric for all quarterbacks.  Argue using consistent logic.  Don’t tell me it’s unfair to hold the W/L record against one guy and not against another guy.
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« Reply #247 on: January 22, 2024, 11:19:56 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 10:48:00 AM
So is Baker Mayfield a “hit” for Cleveland? Because I’m sure he qualifies for that stat. Jameis Winston? If Jacksonville had the #1 pick I’m confident they’d be having the same conversation being had here. Keep Lawrence or start over? Not that Lawrence has been bad, but it would definitely be a conversation.

Any of these guys would be better than the whiny bitch playing the position now.
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« Reply #248 on: January 22, 2024, 11:20:24 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 10:54:54 AM
Is Drew Bledsoe (benched during SB run) the bar?

Jeff George once lead the league in passing yards.

Vinny Testaverde had a “good” career. Would we be happy with that?

All better than Fields.
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« Reply #249 on: January 22, 2024, 11:21:35 AM »
What would Stafford’s value have been year 3 when he had arguably the greatest WR of all-time beginning a virtually unprecedented 3 year stretch of WR play? Probably pretty good.
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« Reply #250 on: January 22, 2024, 11:22:14 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 11:04:15 AM
By my count, Stafford was 71-86 with the Lions. Build the statue now.

I thought W-L records didn't matter for QBs. Or is that just for Fields. Hahaha 

Man this thread is just a massacre today.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #251 on: January 22, 2024, 11:22:52 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 22, 2024, 11:20:24 AM
All better than Fields.

Is Fields’ career over? He’s quite possibly got another 10 years to go.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #252 on: January 22, 2024, 11:23:14 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 11:12:00 AM
Survived Nagy, a tank, and Luke Getsy to still be considered a valuable commodity.

This remains to be seen.
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« Reply #253 on: January 22, 2024, 11:23:37 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 22, 2024, 11:22:14 AM
I thought W-L records didn't matter for QBs. Or is that just for Fields. Hahaha 

Man this thread is just a massacre today.

Left your A game at home today I see (and your B game, and your C game).
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« Reply #254 on: January 22, 2024, 11:23:54 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 11:21:35 AM
What would Stafford’s value have been year 3 when he had arguably the greatest WR of all-time beginning a virtually unprecedented 3 year stretch of WR play? Probably pretty good.

HahHahahaha man you are incredibly shameless.

Can’t even pretend at some form of logical consistency.
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