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Other NFL teams/games 2024

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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #210 on: January 22, 2024, 10:20:10 AM »
Can't believe Mahomes was able to overcome Nagy and a bad WR group to win yesterday
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« Reply #211 on: January 22, 2024, 10:31:45 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 09:33:40 AM
I don’t like to deal with absolutes especially regarding things that haven’t happened yet, but things would have to go incredibly sideways for me to continue making excuses for Fields should they make the necessary upgrades. I anticipate that I’ll be much less excuse friendly, but I’d also like to see what other moves they make.

But then it’s too late. We have a shot at what is considered a #1 QB now.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #212 on: January 22, 2024, 10:34:10 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 09:33:40 AM
I don’t like to deal with absolutes especially regarding things that haven’t happened yet, but things would have to go incredibly sideways for me to continue making excuses for Fields should they make the necessary upgrades. I anticipate that I’ll be much less excuse friendly, but I’d also like to see what other moves they make.

You made excuse after excuse for him this year when this was supposed to be the "no excuses" year given all the cap room and draft picks.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #213 on: January 22, 2024, 10:38:52 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 22, 2024, 10:31:45 AM
But then it’s too late. We have a shot at what is considered a #1 QB now.

We do. And about 65% of those bust. We also have an unprecedented chance to build the 53 man roster for years to come. Either path is totally defensible.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #214 on: January 22, 2024, 10:41:36 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 22, 2024, 10:34:10 AM
You made excuse after excuse for him this year when this was supposed to be the "no excuses" year given all the cap room and draft picks.

Minus DJ the “upgrades” didn’t really pan out. Remember how Chase Claypool was supposed to be an important part of Fields’ development? Pretty convenient how quickly Fields detractors forgot about him. The offensive line was better, but still not “good.” Getsy proved he doesn’t deserve the title of OC and was in over his head.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #215 on: January 22, 2024, 10:44:31 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 22, 2024, 10:20:10 AM
Can't believe Mahomes was able to overcome Nagy and a bad WR group to win yesterday

Got the assist from back to back bad decisions from Josh Allen in the final 2 minutes. Shouldn’t have been greedy and taken the underneath stuff that was there.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #216 on: January 22, 2024, 10:45:10 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 10:38:52 AM
We do. And about 65% of those bust. We also have an unprecedented chance to build the 53 man roster for years to come. Either path is totally defensible.

I’m sure you saw the thing recently about how it was about twice as likely that a QB taken #1:

Throws for 4000 yards in a season
Throws 35+ TD in a season
Makes a pro bowl
Starts 80 NFL games
Or wins a playoff game

Than a QB taken 2-5 (and the odds get notably worse the lower the QB is taken).

Can you find a QB later?  Yeah, definitely - you’re just way way more likely to find one at 1.01 than anywhere else.  You’re way more likely to find, say, a great WR later in the draft than a great QB.
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« Reply #217 on: January 22, 2024, 10:48:00 AM »
So is Baker Mayfield a “hit” for Cleveland? Because I’m sure he qualifies for that stat. Jameis Winston? If Jacksonville had the #1 pick I’m confident they’d be having the same conversation being had here. Keep Lawrence or start over? Not that Lawrence has been bad, but it would definitely be a conversation.
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« Reply #218 on: January 22, 2024, 10:50:05 AM »
Are we going to be happy if Caleb is the next Alex Smith? Did the Rams find Jared Goff satisfactory?
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« Reply #219 on: January 22, 2024, 10:51:19 AM »
Did Stafford transform the Lions?
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« Reply #220 on: January 22, 2024, 10:53:21 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 10:50:05 AM
Are we going to be happy if Caleb is the next Alex Smith? Did the Rams find Jared Goff satisfactory?

Jared Goff would probably be the best QB in the Bears franchise history.  As for whether they found him satisfactory - they traded him for another 1.01 QB and won the Super Bowl.  I wouldn’t complain too much about that outcome.
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« Reply #221 on: January 22, 2024, 10:54:54 AM »
Is Drew Bledsoe (benched during SB run) the bar?

Jeff George once lead the league in passing yards.

Vinny Testaverde had a “good” career. Would we be happy with that?
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« Reply #222 on: January 22, 2024, 10:55:45 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 22, 2024, 10:53:21 AM
Jared Goff would probably be the best QB in the Bears franchise history.  As for whether they found him satisfactory - they traded him for another 1.01 QB and won the Super Bowl.  I wouldn’t complain too much about that outcome.

Probably. And he still wasn’t good enough for the Rams, and we’d still be bitching that he can’t play in the elements.
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« Reply #223 on: January 22, 2024, 10:56:47 AM »
Yes, they traded him for a QB who was unable to “elevate” his franchise, despite having arguably the greatest receiver of all-time.
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« Reply #224 on: January 22, 2024, 10:57:05 AM »
Quote from: Fields First Fan on January 22, 2024, 10:51:19 AM
Did Stafford transform the Lions?

Yes if the Bears drafted a QB at 1.01 and got the years that Stafford produced in Detroit the only debate would be whether to cast his Soldier Field statue in bronze or copper.  He’d be the best QB we have ever had and it wouldn’t be remotely close.

If you’re scared of spending a top pick on a QB because he might be Matt Stafford I don’t even know what to say to that.
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