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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #840 on: April 08, 2024, 01:22:14 PM »
If you're still not even willing to acknowledge that Fields was mediocre in Chicago, I don't know what to tell you.  Obviously everyone else sees it.

But you're dug in.  Frankly, more dug in than I've ever seen someone on an athlete.  It's truly weird.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #841 on: April 08, 2024, 01:23:01 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 08, 2024, 01:19:57 PM
One season ago Fields had an entirely unacceptable supporting cast and a rookie OC in over his head in his first full season as a starter and “he was mediocre FOR YEARS.”

Yes, he was mediocre for three seasons in Chicago.

Again, you will never see me defend Caleb Williams like you did if he's similarly mediocre.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #842 on: April 08, 2024, 01:23:13 PM »
We’ve been over this a million times and you still don’t know what the fuck my position was. Brilliant.
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« Reply #843 on: April 08, 2024, 01:24:33 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 08, 2024, 01:23:13 PM
We’ve been over this a million times and you still don’t know what the fuck my position was. Brilliant.

No, I do - I argued against it a hundred times.  You've simply shifted to pretend it was more reasonable than it was.

And now, are doing the opposing thing to Caleb Williams - criticizing him for every single tiny detail you can find before he's even drafted.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #844 on: April 08, 2024, 01:26:26 PM »
Gotta say, I love that you put your Caleb Williams strawman in your signature.  That's perfect.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #845 on: April 08, 2024, 01:28:14 PM »
Even with someone like Herbert for example- his team basically sucks, but they/people/you can see he’s a franchise QB. You can’t/couldn’t do that with Fields.
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« Reply #846 on: April 08, 2024, 01:34:47 PM »
Well thankfully for Caleb, he’ll have an actual NFL team (with decent coaching) around him from day 1, instead of being forced to try an elevate a practice squad roster.
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« Reply #847 on: April 08, 2024, 01:39:10 PM »
And thus, you will demand that he be perfect from the first snap after making excuses for every play for three years of Fields.  Obviously, to be expected.

You got defensive last year when I said a receiver made a good catch.  In all my years following sports, I have never seen a phenomenon like the Fields Fans, it was truly odd.  You couldn't even compliment another player on the team without it being inferred as a slight against Fields.  You couldn't acknowledge that he made a good play and then a bad play. 

Fields also traded to a team with a good coach, so surely he'll be really good now.
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« Reply #848 on: April 08, 2024, 01:56:42 PM »
I think Keenan Allen was a great pickup, especially for the price.  But he was really the only major pickup so far and you argued for the entirety of the second half of last year that Fields' surroundings were so bad you couldn't even correctly evaluate him.  Obviously they're likely to get a good player at 9 (or a couple good players with a tradeback).  The Bears roster will definitely be better next year than it was last year.

That said, I think you're overselling how much the Bears' roster has improved overall, to go from "so bad you can't even properly evaluate Fields" to "so good it's the reason why if Caleb plays well".  I think you were wildly over-protective of Fields, and if the existing evidence is to be believed you're going to be insufferably critical of Caleb as a rookie - I think you know somewhere in you that that's kind of ridiculous.  It'll mostly be the same roster.  Added a backup/swing guy to the line you maligned all year.  Aside from Allen (which is a great pickup for cheap): Added an RB who has been decent but not great.  Added a backup TE.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #849 on: April 08, 2024, 02:50:30 PM »
Mediocre would have been far better than what we saw for 3 years
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #850 on: April 08, 2024, 03:06:22 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 08, 2024, 01:18:09 PM
Of course you’d love it.

It's hilarious
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #851 on: April 08, 2024, 04:03:43 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 08, 2024, 01:39:10 PM
And thus, you will demand that he be perfect from the first snap after making excuses for every play for three years of Fields.  Obviously, to be expected.

You’re gonna be pretty disappointed (in my Caleb hate) should he be less than perfect immediately. You continuously fail to acknowledge how poorly Justin Fields was “set up to succeed” and how that has influenced by inclination to push back on your narratives. I’m not sure anyone other than Judge Judy has acknowledged what a shitty hand Justin was dealt (and he’s among thr last people I would expect to acknowledge this, but he’s also been all over the map on the issue).

I’ve said ad nauseam that a reasonable amount of Justin’s poor play rests on his own shoulders, and he needed to perform better. I also think what Justin went through would have broken most young quarterbacks, and I don’t think Justin is broken.

If you had even allowed a modicum of his struggles to be attributed to being in a real tough situation, I probably wouldn’t push back so much. I’ve even probably said 25x that your position has been a justifiable one, but you still paint me as someone who is a complete cult member. If you’re unwilling to read and comprehend wheat I write, it’s not my fault.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #852 on: April 08, 2024, 04:06:34 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 08, 2024, 03:06:22 PM
It's hilarious

Jobu loves him a lazy narrative (just as much as you do). Jobu said “God damn, I love Adam Hoge.” I’d be very surprised if Jobu goes out of his way to consume any Adam Hoge content, much less “loves him.” Twitter, Score, Berstein, Parkins, pwned.

If Hoge had gone out of way to praise something I said Jobu would call him an idiot.
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« Reply #853 on: April 08, 2024, 04:09:44 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on April 08, 2024, 01:28:14 PM
Even with someone like Herbert for example- his team basically sucks, but they/people/you can see he’s a franchise QB. You can’t/couldn’t do that with Fields.

Herbert is really really good. He’s also had a lot more to work with than Justin had. Herbert is also a very very very rare quarterback that plays well from day one. That is far from the norm.
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« Reply #854 on: April 08, 2024, 04:12:06 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 08, 2024, 01:56:42 PM
I think Keenan Allen was a great pickup, especially for the price.  But he was really the only major pickup so far and you argued for the entirety of the second half of last year that Fields' surroundings were so bad you couldn't even correctly evaluate him.  Obviously they're likely to get a good player at 9 (or a couple good players with a tradeback).  The Bears roster will definitely be better next year than it was last year.

That said, I think you're overselling how much the Bears' roster has improved overall, to go from "so bad you can't even properly evaluate Fields" to "so good it's the reason why if Caleb plays well".  I think you were wildly over-protective of Fields, and if the existing evidence is to be believed you're going to be insufferably critical of Caleb as a rookie - I think you know somewhere in you that that's kind of ridiculous.  It'll mostly be the same roster.  Added a backup/swing guy to the line you maligned all year.  Aside from Allen (which is a great pickup for cheap): Added an RB who has been decent but not great.  Added a backup TE.

They also added a quality Center and a running back that will fairly easily be the most talented RB on the team. And a proven offensive coordinator. That’s a fair bit more than just minimal improvements.
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