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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #480 on: January 20, 2024, 02:02:27 AM »
I think there is nothing typical about the situation but we live in strange times.

I do wonder how this will be received by various advocacy groups on campus when he plays and by the national media.
The ESPN article was very neutral.

Maybe no big deal. There is little consensus on anything any longer in our grievance based society - even on issues that one might think there would be. And truth and facts are mostly irrelevant.

We have a guy with 91 felony counts with damning incriminating evidence publicly known including several counts to overthrow the government, plus an actual indicated finding of rape that half the country thinks not only can still be POTUS, but they will never accept if/when he is found guilty.

A college kid playing basketball while awaiting a rape trial with still limited known basis for the charges (who is innocent until proven guilty) is maybe inconsequential and probably way easier to accept in today's world.

 
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #481 on: January 20, 2024, 05:58:33 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 20, 2024, 01:00:23 AM
So either Guenther Jr. lied or his "process" here was incompetent. Pick your poison.
It may be a situation where the application of the process was faulty and university attorneys convinced Whitman that the suspension was the only recourse for a student athlete in a situation such as this.
TSJ was not in Lawrence because the U of I basketball team had a game to play. Anybody can show up at the Jayhawk. A ticket to the football game that day is not required. TSJ was not in Lawrence representing the university as a student athlete.

There is a multistate lawsuit challenging the NCAA position on an athlete being required to sit for a year following 2 transfers claiming it illegally impedes an athlete's ability to profit off of NIL.
TSJ's case is not the only 1 regarding loss of NIL.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #482 on: January 20, 2024, 06:14:02 AM »
Agree the whole thing feels weird and who knows what’ll happen next or what precedent(s) it sets.

I do think it muddies the water when people say he doesn’t have a “protected right to play basketball.” Maybe prior to the Wild West of immediate transfer eligibility and NIL, but it’s big business now for the elite players. Big business means connected attorneys being funded by wealthy, connected alumni all tied into an influential flagship university with a lot to lose/gain.

Someone losing their job at Home Depot or as a teacher etc for getting charged with rape isn’t likely to have the same amenities available to them.

The schools and NCAA have been systematically milking the talent and effort of student athletes for decades and there was little the student athletes could do about it. That’s obviously changing now with more power/money shifting to the athletes. That’s something most of us have been wanting, but it’s not without its conundrums. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #483 on: January 20, 2024, 07:50:42 AM »
TSJ afforded the time to play while the system determines the outcome one way or another is the right thing to do in this instance and every instance imo, whether we as ILLINI fans are so delusional to want/need/crave a NCAA Championship.

The charge/circumstance/details are all murky, ambiguous and suspect start to finish.

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #484 on: January 20, 2024, 08:59:55 AM »
The idea that the NIL creates rights against the university that weren't there before the NIL system seems unfounded.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #485 on: January 20, 2024, 09:11:17 AM »
Quote from: Mn on January 20, 2024, 05:58:33 AM
It may be a situation where the application of the process was faulty and university attorneys convinced Whitman that the suspension was the only recourse for a student athlete in a situation such as this.
TSJ was not in Lawrence because the U of I basketball team had a game to play. Anybody can show up at the Jayhawk. A ticket to the football game that day is not required. TSJ was not in Lawrence representing the university as a student athlete.

There is a multistate lawsuit challenging the NCAA position on an athlete being required to sit for a year following 2 transfers claiming it illegally impedes an athlete's ability to profit off of NIL.
TSJ's case is not the only 1 regarding loss of NIL.

The Kansas cop emailed the UIUC cop that they either were proceeding with filing against TSJ or it had already happened at the time they asked fke DNA. If that was not passed up.the chain, then they are incompetent. If it was, then Guenther Jr lied. There is no other answer here, well, maybe "Tsmpo."
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #486 on: January 20, 2024, 09:17:39 AM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on January 20, 2024, 08:59:55 AM
The idea that the NIL creates rights against the university that weren't there before the NIL system seems unfounded.

To your point,  and Custard's, I listened to Bob from IlliniBoard's podcast to some The Twittsr lawyer who apparently has been all over this. He addressed that Shannon was in quite the unique spot from many other athletes with NIL, real NBA aspirational,  etc. He is not some bench guy or college fencer.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #487 on: January 20, 2024, 09:18:59 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on January 20, 2024, 07:50:42 AM
TSJ afforded the time to play while the system determines the outcome one way or another is the right thing to do in this instance and every instance imo, whether we as ILLINI fans are so delusional to want/need/crave a NCAA Championship.

The charge/circumstance/details are all murky, ambiguous and suspect start to finish.

It is the right thing to do where the university appears to have failed to offer him even the chance to defend himself.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #488 on: January 20, 2024, 09:22:58 AM »
"People generally see what they look for, and hear what they listen for,....."
Harper Lee

It's hard for Illini fans not to be severely conflicted.  I know i am.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #489 on: January 20, 2024, 09:25:22 AM »
To get a TRO entered and to (initially) lose basically an argument over university processes is a huge deal. This does not happen unless the university really fucks up given how the law is tilted towards the universities. All of Guenther, Jr.'s press conference babble has proven to be just that.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #490 on: January 20, 2024, 09:28:43 AM »
Quote from: ridingthegrange on January 20, 2024, 09:22:58 AM
"People generally see what they look for, and hear what they listen for,....."
Harper Lee

It's hard for Illini fans not to be severely conflicted.  I know i am.

They could a) appeal to the 7th Circuit, b) proceed with the preliminary injunction hearing in 10 days or so (generally how long a TRO lasts) and/or c)) restart the disciplinary process by giving TSJ the opportunity to defend himself.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #491 on: January 20, 2024, 09:36:51 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 20, 2024, 09:11:17 AM
The Kansas cop emailed the UIUC cop that they either were proceeding with filing against TSJ or it had already happened at the time they asked fke DNA.
Nope. From the email ....
“Unfortunately, I don’t have any update for you. I anticipate he either was charged or will be soon."

I have no idea what obligations to divulge, or obligations to not divulge, that the UIUC cop would be operating under.
If he can go to Whitman, he's still reporting an "anticipation" if there is no record of a charge.

If charging decisions were made on Dec 5, well after the "anticipation" email, and filed on Dec 6 were they under seal until the end of the month ?

Get yer tits out of the wringer in order to engage brain.  ;D

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #492 on: January 20, 2024, 09:41:41 AM »
If he gets a disciplinary hearing and wins against a lower burden of proof but is convicted of of sexual battery it's going to make the university look utterly terrible.

The people adjudicating the hearing will know this.
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« Reply #493 on: January 20, 2024, 09:48:21 AM »
If he gets a disciplinary hearing and loses against a lower burden of proof and is acquitted of sexual battery it's going to make the university look terrible.

The people adjudicating the hearing should understand this.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #494 on: January 20, 2024, 10:16:08 AM »
Quote from: Mn on January 20, 2024, 09:36:51 AM
Nope. From the email ....
“Unfortunately, I don’t have any update for you. I anticipate he either was charged or will be soon."

I have no idea what obligations to divulge, or obligations to not divulge, that the UIUC cop would be operating under.
If he can go to Whitman, he's still reporting an "anticipation" if there is no record of a charge.

If charging decisions were made on Dec 5, well after the "anticipation" email, and filed on Dec 6 were they under seal until the end of the month ?

Get yer tits out of the wringer in order to engage brain.  ;D

He anticipated that he would either or was going to be soon. There is no way that was not reported up the chain. If that was not reported up the chain, that is incompetence.
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