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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #510 on: January 20, 2024, 07:20:20 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on January 20, 2024, 05:47:48 PM
I don't think so, but they need to be able to have and enforce a code of conduct for student athletes.

I would like to know how many other players in college basketball have had a felony rape charge and still competed while it was in process.

I think the judge is saying that TSJ being in Lawrence wasn't student athlete related. The basketball team wasn't in town and he wasn't in Lawrence representing the university.
The university should be making the decision and not the DIA.
 
If it goes thru OSCR policy then the decision doesn't get to the DIA.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #511 on: January 20, 2024, 07:25:11 PM »
If the Judge ruled he was in Lawrence  on a University sponsored trip; then Title IX applies and that is whole 'nother can o' worms.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #512 on: January 20, 2024, 08:31:30 PM »
I have no doubt the DIA doesn't actually want him suspended and has tried to position things to get him on the court to the extent it can. The unknown is how much the university and its legal department want to or can go along with that, which is far more complicated than what is good for the current basketball year. Legally, district court opinions aren't binding precedent, and prejudgment rulings have even less persuasive sway. If they appeal the 7th Cir it's a tell that someone higher up is taking some principled stand on it, and it will probably draw amicus briefing, but may not be decided until it doesn't matter anymore. The best thing they can probably do is pretend like the court case isn't there until it's moot.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #513 on: January 20, 2024, 10:30:26 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on January 20, 2024, 05:26:02 PM
This.

Except that process probably would still.be ongoing?
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #514 on: January 21, 2024, 01:46:17 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 20, 2024, 04:13:35 PM
Maybe I’m missing something but it seems some posters here have adopted an attitude of it being TSJ vs UI. Obviously they worked together on this with the goal being reinstatement for TSJ alongside plausible deniability for the U.

LOL. Who you crapping ?
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #515 on: January 21, 2024, 01:48:27 AM »
Quote from: Mn on January 20, 2024, 04:31:10 PM
I think it 's the university against itself. If they would have followed OSCR to begin with Shannon would probably still  be suspended.

We learned that Guenther Jr. Is a liar or completely incompetent and UIUC has shit lawyers.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #516 on: January 21, 2024, 01:49:40 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 20, 2024, 02:03:19 PM
The preliminary injunction was already granted, since the UI response was so thorough.  No need for a hearing.

Huh?

I'll admit to having a few drinks tonight, but this makes no sense.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #517 on: January 21, 2024, 01:57:25 AM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on January 20, 2024, 08:31:30 PM
I have no doubt the DIA doesn't actually want him suspended and has tried to position things to get him on the court to the extent it can. The unknown is how much the university and its legal department want to or can go along with that, which is far more complicated than what is good for the current basketball year. Legally, district court opinions aren't binding precedent, and prejudgment rulings have even less persuasive sway. If they appeal the 7th Cir it's a tell that someone higher up is taking some principled stand on it, and it will probably draw amicus briefing, but may not be decided until it doesn't matter anymore. The best thing they can probably do is pretend like the court case isn't there until it's moot.

Seriously? They purposely prevented him the opportunity to present a defense so he could sue them and win?

Fucking Guenther Jr. spent 20 minutes about how great their process was in his presser just so TSJ could win a TRO because they denied him the ability make a defense?
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #518 on: January 21, 2024, 02:05:26 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 21, 2024, 01:49:40 AM
Huh?

I'll admit to having a few drinks tonight, but this makes no sense.

Did I type too fast?

The Judge already granted the preliminary injunction.

The University's response was very thorough and detailed. They shot their whole wad. There is nothing more to be gleaned from another hearing.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #519 on: January 21, 2024, 05:52:20 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 21, 2024, 01:48:27 AM
We learned that Guenther Jr. Is a liar or completely incompetent and UIUC has shit lawyers.
Nope.
You decided that Whitman didn't handle this correctly, that he had something in writing indicating that charges had been filed and he wasn't forthcoming.

Imo, the UIUC shit lawyers should have followed OSCR policy and kept the decision out of the hands of the man who said he had nothing in writing and was following the process used in other instances.
If the UIUC police didn't give Whitman the charging documents that apparently they didn't have, I'm not sure that Whitman should be your target. Were the charges under seal from Dec 5 to the end of the month ?
If the last information that FOIA shows is an Oct 24 opinion that anticipated that charges would occur, wtf would you expect Whitman to do if he was given no updates until the end of Dec ?

"Tuesday, Dec. 5 — Shannon charging document filed in Douglas County, KS. It appears as though there is no mention of the document being filed in the FOIA requests – by DIA officials or by UIPD."

Nonetheless, the judge granting the TRO held that OSCR policy should have been the deciding factor. The judge is saying that Whitman was put in a position that he shouldn't have been.

If you want to hold Whitman accountable, maybe it should be that he should have told the university to go fuck themselves and it is an OSCR decision, and not his.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #520 on: January 21, 2024, 05:56:20 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 20, 2024, 10:30:26 PM
Except that process probably would still.be ongoing?

So ?
If it was the correct procedure to follow, so be it.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #521 on: January 21, 2024, 07:31:15 AM »
Geez. Mn bringing it today.
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« Reply #523 on: January 21, 2024, 08:23:28 AM »
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #524 on: January 21, 2024, 09:13:14 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 21, 2024, 02:05:26 AM
Did I type too fast?

The Judge already granted the preliminary injunction.

The University's response was very thorough and detailed. They shot their whole wad. There is nothing more to be gleaned from another hearing.

I thought the judge entered a TRO. That usually lasts 10 days. Then there is a preliminary injunction hearing where there is testimony, etc.

Did the order actually grant a preliminary injunction and a TRO? I haven't been able to read the order yet
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