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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2160 on: December 13, 2023, 11:20:21 AM »
I said it would be “unfortunate” for Caleb if he got stuck with Getsy. But at least he’d be a more experienced version of himself. I can’t be any more clear.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2161 on: December 13, 2023, 11:22:09 AM »
Half an hour ago.

Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:56:49 AM

It’ll be unfortunate for Caleb, but it’ll likely be a better version of Luke than Justin got. I don’t see how experience doesn’t factor in for an OC at all. What I’m saying isn’t controversial.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2162 on: December 13, 2023, 11:24:37 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 11:17:24 AM
JFC man. All I said is a “better version of Getsy.” Doesn’t necessarily mean elite or even good. So you’re saying no matter how much more experience, Getsy can’t/wont get “better?” Do I have that right? Because you can’t be saying anything else.

I said what I meant.  If you can point to where I said “no matter how much more experience, Getsy can’t/won’t get better” then yeah I said it.  You can’t though, because I didn’t say it.

Getsy has more experience this year than he had last year - so he must be better right?  But you still find him being a bad OC to be a valid excuse when Fields plays poorly.

If Getsy being his OC is a valid excuse for Fields to play poorly after 35 NFL starts, it should be a valid excuse for Caleb Williams to play poorly in his first NFL game.  If you think otherwise, it is because of the wildly different standards you’re already holding the two quarterbacks to.

Shouldn’t be complicated or remotely controversial.  If having Getsy as your OC is a valid excuse for poor play it should be a valid excuse for rookie Caleb Williams just as it is for third year Justin Fields.

If it isn’t a valid excuse for rookie Caleb Williams, it should also not be a valid excuse for third year Justin Fields.

Nothing remotely controversial about that.
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« Reply #2163 on: December 13, 2023, 11:27:18 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 11:22:09 AM
Half an hour ago.

Yes half an hour you made a marvelous argument against a thing zero people anywhere were saying as a means to totally avoid the thing I clearly was saying
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« Reply #2164 on: December 13, 2023, 11:32:58 AM »
Let’s put it this way - if the expectation is that a third year of Getsy would be so much improved that it’s no longer a valid excuse for poor QB play, then if they keep Fields they should probably keep him too rather than put Fields in a position where he has a third new OC in a year with huge money on the line.
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« Reply #2165 on: December 13, 2023, 11:33:32 AM »
No improvement.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2166 on: December 13, 2023, 11:34:24 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 11:33:32 AM
No improvement.



Point to where I said he has shown no improvement.

I can point to a dozen times I explicitly said the exact opposite but I would love for you to show me one time I said the thing you’re trying to make an argument against.
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« Reply #2167 on: December 13, 2023, 11:34:46 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 11:32:58 AM
Let’s put it this way - if the expectation is that a third year of Getsy would be so much improved that it’s no longer a valid excuse for poor QB play, then if they keep Fields they should probably keep him too rather than put Fields in a position where he has a third new OC in a year with huge money on the line.

“It would be UNFORTUNATE for Caleb, but at least he’d be a more experienced version of himself (Getsy).
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2168 on: December 13, 2023, 11:36:39 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 11:34:46 AM
“It would be UNFORTUNATE for Caleb, but at least he’d be a more experienced version of himself (Getsy).

Yes - so if the expectation is that Getsy’s third year will be improved in a way that his play calling will no longer be a valid excuse if the QB plays poorly, then it’d be really unfair to Fields to fire him in a show-me year.
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« Reply #2169 on: December 13, 2023, 11:40:20 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 04:38:22 PM
Fields since the Commanders game on October 5th:

3.5 games.  667 yards (190 per game, over 3.5 games), 2 TD, 1 INT, 86.51 passer rating.

267 rushing yards (76 per game, over 3.5 games), 1 rushing TD, 3 fumbles.

He had a great stretch for the Broncos/Commanders games, no doubt.  Since then he has regressed back into a mediocre quarterback.

I hoped, like all Bears fans, that those Broncos/Commanders games were Fields turning a corner as a passer.  All indications to this point are that he hasn't done that.[/b]
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2170 on: December 13, 2023, 11:43:59 AM »
I’ll allow that you’ve likely said “improved over thoroughly mediocre,” but 2nd in the NFL would be somewhat better than slightly improved over mediocre, no?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2171 on: December 13, 2023, 11:44:48 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 11:40:20 AM


Correct.

Passer rating in the mid 80’s since the Commanders game.  Mediocre in the passing game.

3.5 games, 66% completion, 667 yards (190 per game), 2 TD 1 INT, 86.5 passer rating (89 is the league average).  Are these killer passing stats and I just don’t know what good numbers look like?  Over 17 games it’s about 3200 yards, 10 TD, 5 INT.

There’s a reason so many of these tweets you quote say “in the last five full games” (ie ignore football that he actually did play) or “since week 4” (not since week 6).  He had two phenomenal games against, at best, average passing defenses.  And since those games he has reverted to the same mediocre passer he has been.
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« Reply #2172 on: December 13, 2023, 11:45:21 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 11:36:39 AM
Yes - so if the expectation is that Getsy’s third year will be improved in a way that his play calling will no longer be a valid excuse if the QB plays poorly, then it’d be really unfair to Fields to fire him in a show-me year.

I never said that. You’re “extrapolating.” I said he’d at least be a more experienced and likely better version of himself. I never once said he be actually good.
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« Reply #2173 on: December 13, 2023, 11:47:00 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 11:44:48 AM
Correct.

Passer rating in the mid 80’s since the Commanders game.  Mediocre in the passing game.

3.5 games, 66% completion, 667 yards (190 per game), 2 TD 1 INT, 86.5 passer rating (89 is the league average).  Are these killer passing stats and I just don’t know what good numbers look like?  Over 17 games it’s about 3200 yards, 10 TD, 5 INT.

There’s a reason so many of these tweets you quote say “in the last five full games” (ie ignore football that he actually did play) or “since week 4” (not since week 6).  He had two phenomenal games against, at best, average passing defenses.  And since those games he has reverted to the same mediocre passer he has been.

If he’s “reverted,” how is he 2nd in the league in adjusted pass completion? He was once first by a mile?
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« Reply #2174 on: December 13, 2023, 11:47:15 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 11:45:21 AM
I never said that. You’re “extrapolating.” I said he’d at least be a more experienced and likely better version of himself. I never once said he be actually good.

So if Caleb Williams has Getsy as OC and is bad, and I said “well Getsy sucks, can’t blame Caleb for that”, you will say “yep I agree, it’s because of Getsy”?
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