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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2145 on: December 13, 2023, 10:36:03 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:33:15 AM
If given my druthers, I’d rather have 4th year OC Getsy coaching this team than 2nd year Getsy. I don’t see how that’s controversial. I don’t WANT him in either scenario, but I’d rather have the more experienced version if I “hafta.”

No one is arguing the point you're trying to make here.  Of course 'experience counts'.

But if Getsy is so bad that it's not even fair to evaluate Justin Fields' play, if you're willing to use Getsy being a bad OC as an excuse for Fields ALL SEASON in his third year as a starter, it's crazy to say it's not an equally valid excuse if Caleb Williams plays poorly as a rookie.

If you think Getsy is a big part of why Fields hasn't been that good as a passer, you cannot say "that's no excuse for a rookie Caleb, Getsy has another year of experience!"

That is logically ridiculous.
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« Reply #2146 on: December 13, 2023, 10:54:00 AM »
I’m saying if he’s still here, he’ll likely be better version of himself. That shouldn’t be very controversial. I never even said he’d be “good.”
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« Reply #2147 on: December 13, 2023, 10:54:44 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 10:36:03 AM
No one is arguing the point you're trying to make here.  Of course 'experience counts'.

But if Getsy is so bad that it's not even fair to evaluate Justin Fields' play, if you're willing to use Getsy being a bad OC as an excuse for Fields ALL SEASON in his third year as a starter, it's crazy to say it's not an equally valid excuse if Caleb Williams plays poorly as a rookie.

If you think Getsy is a big part of why Fields hasn't been that good as a passer, you cannot say "that's no excuse for a rookie Caleb, Getsy has another year of experience!"

That is logically ridiculous.

You’re extrapolating…
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« Reply #2148 on: December 13, 2023, 10:55:35 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:54:00 AM
I’m saying if he’s still here, he’ll likely be better version of himself. That shouldn’t be very controversial. I never even said he’d be “good.”

But no one is arguing the other side of that.  You’re arguing a tangent.

If they get Caleb Williams and keep Luke Getsy and Luke Getsy still sucks, that should be just as valid an excuse for a rookie Caleb Williams as it is for Justin Fields in his third year.  And you’ve used “well Getsy sucks” all year to excuse poor play from Fields.
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« Reply #2149 on: December 13, 2023, 10:56:22 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:54:44 AM
You’re extrapolating…

How so?

Have you not used Getsy being a bad OC as a reason Fields hasn’t turned the corner like we hoped as a passer this year?
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« Reply #2150 on: December 13, 2023, 10:56:49 AM »
It’ll be unfortunate for Caleb, but it’ll likely be a better version of Luke than Justin got. I don’t see how experience doesn’t factor in for an OC at all. What I’m saying isn’t controversial.
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« Reply #2151 on: December 13, 2023, 10:58:05 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 10:56:22 AM
How so?

Have you not used Getsy being a bad OC as a reason Fields hasn’t turned the corner like we hoped as a passer this year?

So just like Justin Fields, he can’t possibly improve? I’m not saying he’ll ever be good, but maybe closer to league average?
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« Reply #2152 on: December 13, 2023, 10:58:58 AM »
So a guy who’s a rookie OC will be exactly the same coach 3-4 years later?
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« Reply #2153 on: December 13, 2023, 11:03:03 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:56:49 AM
It’ll be unfortunate for Caleb, but it’ll likely be a better version of Luke than Justin got. I don’t see how experience doesn’t factor in for an OC at all. What I’m saying isn’t controversial.

Zero people are saying “experience doesn’t factor in for an OC at all”.  That isn’t at issue but you’ve argued against the notion 3-4 times now.

If Getsy sucking is an excuse for Fields not turning the corner as a passer in year 3 - and you have surely used that as an excuse consistently this year - then “Getsy sucks” should be just as valid an excuse for Caleb Williams even with another year of experience.

If they kept Getsy AND Fields, would you say “well Getsy in his third year will be better than he was in his second year so that can’t be an excuse anymore?” Or would you mock anyone who said that endlessly with #noexcuses type bullshit?

Does Luke Getsy suck?  Do you believe Luke Getsy sucking is a big factor in Fields not having the turn the corner type year we all hoped for as a passer?
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« Reply #2154 on: December 13, 2023, 11:05:51 AM »
All I said is he’d be stuck with a more experienced version of Getsy. Make a federal case out of that if you will. It’s not a controversial take in the least.
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« Reply #2155 on: December 13, 2023, 11:07:36 AM »
I can’t see them keeping Getsy if they keep Fields. But it’s also hard to see them changing offenses. It’s a no bueno situation. But hopefully Getsy would be at least somewhat better if he’s back next year. I would think 2 years experience helps some.
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« Reply #2156 on: December 13, 2023, 11:08:27 AM »
I’d be happy if they brought in another co-coordinator. Someone with real chops who won’t overhaul everything.
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« Reply #2157 on: December 13, 2023, 11:15:03 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 11:05:51 AM
All I said is he’d be stuck with a more experienced version of Getsy. Make a federal case out of that if you will. It’s not a controversial take in the least.

And all I said is that “if Luke Getsy sucking is a valid excuse for Fields to still be mediocre in the passing game in year 3 as a starter, it should be just as valid an excuse for Caleb Williams as a rookie.”  I don’t think that’s really that controversial either, but then you started being like “WHAT YOU DONT THINK EXPERIENCE MATTERS!?” As if Getsy sucking will no longer be a valid excuse for a QB to underperform as a passer next season.
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« Reply #2158 on: December 13, 2023, 11:15:35 AM »
Bringing in Forester or Kubiak from SF to work hand in hand with Getsy could be a good answer. The offenses are supposedly similar and could even have the same verbage. Lafleur worked a large handful of years with Shanahan.
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« Reply #2159 on: December 13, 2023, 11:17:24 AM »
JFC man. All I said is a “better version of Getsy.” Doesn’t necessarily mean elite or even good. So you’re saying no matter how much more experience, Getsy can’t/wont get “better?” Do I have that right? Because you can’t be saying anything else.
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