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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2130 on: December 13, 2023, 10:11:33 AM »
If Caleb is a Bear the talent he will have will be light years ahead of what Justin had.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2131 on: December 13, 2023, 10:13:30 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:11:33 AM
If Caleb is a Bear the talent he will have will be light years ahead of what Justin had.

There will be a lot of new faces, including his.  There will be a new offensive coordinator, of unknown quality.  They will have impactful injuries.

My guess is if Caleb Williams comes out and looks like shit for even a couple games and I try to use any of these things as an excuse, you will laugh in my face.
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« Reply #2132 on: December 13, 2023, 10:16:39 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 10:13:30 AM
There will be a lot of new faces, including his.  There will be a new offensive coordinator, of unknown quality.  They will have impactful injuries.

My guess is if Caleb Williams comes out and looks like shit for even a couple games and I try to use any of these things as an excuse, you will laugh in my face.

He’ll have DJ Moore and his best offensive linemen entering their prime years. I’m guessing Poles is going to add some pretty good skill talent too. Perhaps a MHJ (probably not if they draft Williams) but perhaps a Nabers or Bowers. Plus any impactful free agent we’ve yet to see. The core will be fully intact and seasoned by his 2nd year.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2133 on: December 13, 2023, 10:18:34 AM »
His 2nd year would be light years ahead of Justin’s 2nd year roster wise. They pretty much can’t do worse than Getsy (would be tough), and even if it’s Getsy, it’s a more experienced Getsy.
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« Reply #2134 on: December 13, 2023, 10:20:37 AM »
If Caleb is missing his 3 best OL for a month plus, gets injured and misses a month, and has only one difference making skill player I will acknowledge that.
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« Reply #2135 on: December 13, 2023, 10:23:06 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:16:39 AM
He’ll have DJ Moore and his best offensive linemen entering their prime years. I’m guessing Poles is going to add some pretty good skill talent too. Perhaps a MHJ (probably not if they draft Williams) but perhaps a Nabers or Bowers. Plus any impactful free agent we’ve yet to see. The core will be fully intact and seasoned by his 2nd year.

So “there are a bunch of new players” won’t be a valid excuse for Caleb Williams to play poorly?

“There’s a new offensive coordinator” or “the offensive coordinator isn’t calling the game to Caleb Williams’ strengths” won’t be a valid excuse?

“They have had some impactful injuries” won’t be a valid excuse?
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« Reply #2136 on: December 13, 2023, 10:24:12 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:18:34 AM
His 2nd year would be light years ahead of Justin’s 2nd year roster wise. They pretty much can’t do worse than Getsy (would be tough), and even if it’s Getsy, it’s a more experienced Getsy.

Hahaha no fuckin’ way, you’re not even willing to use THE SAME OC you use to excuse Fields’ year 3 play to excuse Caleb Williams’ (hypothetical) play as a rookie?

Holy smokes man.

If it’s Getsy surely that’s as valid an excuse if Caleb Williams plays poorly as it is when Fields plays poorly.  If “there are a ton of new faces” is a valid excuse for Fields in year 3, surely it’s a valid excuse for Caleb Williams as a rookie.  Right?
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« Reply #2137 on: December 13, 2023, 10:24:17 AM »
How do you figure the next year or two will be even remotely the same? Think they are flipping 60% of the roster Caleb’s 2nd year? From now on we are looking at normal integration.
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« Reply #2138 on: December 13, 2023, 10:25:09 AM »
It’s like when a college basketball coach comes in and cleans house and then transfers start to even things out year 2 and 3.
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« Reply #2139 on: December 13, 2023, 10:25:38 AM »
C’mon Spark.
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« Reply #2140 on: December 13, 2023, 10:30:07 AM »
It could not possibly be more clear that you have no intention of giving Caleb Williams any of the myriad, laundry list of excuses you give Fields even if they're the exact same excuses about the exact same people.

It's laughable.

If "there are a ton of new faces" is an excuse for poor play, fair enough.  It can't be an excuse for one guy and not for the other.

If "there were impactful injuries elsewhere on the roster" is an excuse for poor play, fair enough.  It can't be an excuse for one guy and not the other.

YOU'RE EVEN HERE TALKING ABOUT "IT'D BE A MORE EXPERIENCED GETSY"!  Like, you've ranted all year about how Getsy is why Fields has been mediocre as a passer in year 3 and you've already decided that even if they keep Getsy, that won't be a valid excuse for poor play by Caleb Williams as a rookie!

If these things are valid excuses, they are just as valid for Caleb Williams as a rookie as they are for Justin Fields after 35 NFL starts.
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« Reply #2141 on: December 13, 2023, 10:31:00 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 10:24:12 AM
Hahaha no fuckin’ way, you’re not even willing to use THE SAME OC you use to excuse Fields’ year 3 play to excuse Caleb Williams’ (hypothetical) play as a rookie?

Holy smokes man.

If it’s Getsy surely that’s as valid an excuse if Caleb Williams plays poorly as it is when Fields plays poorly.  If “there are a ton of new faces” is a valid excuse for Fields in year 3, surely it’s a valid excuse for Caleb Williams as a rookie.  Right?

I had a difficult time interpreting this jumble, but I think I got your point? You think Luke Getsy year 3-4 wouldn’t be at least an improved version of Getsy? Experience counts for nothing? I’m not saying he should be here, he shouldn’t. But I’d rather him 4th year him tha 2nd year him.
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« Reply #2142 on: December 13, 2023, 10:32:11 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:24:17 AM
How do you figure the next year or two will be even remotely the same? Think they are flipping 60% of the roster Caleb’s 2nd year? From now on we are looking at normal integration.


I think there'll be a lot of new faces on the Bears next year.  And I think in other situations, you use that as a reason the Bears/Fields will be a lot better - just like you did last year.

You can't spend all year saying "well next year they will have a lot of cap space and can bring in a bunch of new talent" and then say "well they had a bunch of new guys!" as an excuse when they don't perform, that's nuts.
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« Reply #2143 on: December 13, 2023, 10:33:15 AM »
If given my druthers, I’d rather have 4th year OC Getsy coaching this team than 2nd year Getsy. I don’t see how that’s controversial. I don’t WANT him in either scenario, but I’d rather have the more experienced version if I “hafta.”
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« Reply #2144 on: December 13, 2023, 10:34:34 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:31:00 AM
I had a difficult time interpreting this jumble, but I think I got your point? You think Luke Getsy year 3-4 wouldn’t be at least an improved version of Getsy? Experience counts for nothing? I’m not saying he should be here, he shouldn’t. But I’d rather him 4th year him tha 2nd year him.

I think that if "Luke Getsy sucks" is a reason to handwave mediocre to poor play from a guy with 35 starts under his belt, it's just as valid a reason to handwave poor play from a guy who has never played in the NFL.  Personally, I don't think it's a particularly good excuse for either guy - but I know that if it's a good enough excuse for a three year starter, it should be a good enough excuse for a rookie.

You've used Luke Getsy sucking as an excuse any time Fields has played poorly all season, and you're already saying even if it's Getsy, that isn't an excuse for Caleb Williams not to perform as a rookie.
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