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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1665 on: December 11, 2023, 01:25:13 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 01:22:18 PM
I’m tearing down JJs conclusion that Williams would be an OBVIOUS immediate upgrade.

But you're doing it using arguments that are totally contradictory to arguments you made just recently to justify your own opinion.

I don't think it's that much to ask for some level of logical consistency.  You make one argument when it confirms your bias, but then when someone says something you don't agree with you're willing to use the exact opposite argument to discount it.

What does PFF say about Fields' NFL performance so far?
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« Reply #1666 on: December 11, 2023, 01:29:49 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 01:21:24 PM
Do you think USC had as much talent at WR this year as OSU did with Fields?

As good as OSU? Probably not. But Jordan Addison, Brenden Rice, Tahj Washington, and Mario Williams aren’t exactly schleps.
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« Reply #1667 on: December 11, 2023, 01:30:53 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 01:24:07 PM
And to be clear, I am not "certain that he cannot improve as a passer".

I am concerned because he has started 35 NFL games and the "improvement" he's shown has resulted in a guy who is still not consistently even above average as a passer.  He's mediocre in the passing game still to this day.

Your concern has been noted.
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« Reply #1668 on: December 11, 2023, 01:33:28 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 01:17:21 PM
This is incredibly stupid.  It's like you WANT to limit the Bears' ceiling.  Every argument you make leans that way.

Justin Fields willed last years’ team to high output offensive games virtually by himself and he’s “the anchor” holding the offense back. Let me guess, you’re one of the people who thought Darnell Mooney was a #1.
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« Reply #1669 on: December 11, 2023, 01:36:00 PM »
Which non Pro Bowl Bears player is your offensive MVP? There’s plenty to choose from.

BTW DJ Moore will be making his first Pro Bowl this year, thanks to his upgrade at QB. I think they still have a perfect passer rating together this year? 13 games in.
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« Reply #1670 on: December 11, 2023, 01:42:03 PM »
Granted, this is from a fantasy perspective, but the difference in production is stark. You think giving Fields MHJ doesn’t help? GTFOH

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« Reply #1671 on: December 11, 2023, 01:48:10 PM »
Schleps.

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« Reply #1672 on: December 11, 2023, 01:49:55 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 01:29:49 PM
As good as OSU? Probably not. But Jordan Addison, Brenden Rice, Tahj Washington, and Mario Williams aren’t exactly schleps.

Jordan Addison is in the NFL, he wasn't on USC this year.

Are any of those other guys top prospects?  PFF says Brenden Rice is the best of them, they had him ranked as the 96th best player and 14th best WR on their draft board this year.  They said he was the 88th best WR by play this year.  They have Mario Williams as the 226th ranked prospect (there are 224 picks in the NFL draft) and the 450th best WR by play.  I think Tahj Washington is below that as he isn't on the list - various other sites have him ranked 366th overall, "late day 3", a 7th round projection.  No idea how credible, but doesn't seem like pretty much anyone thinks there was some particularly good crop of WR at USC this year (other than Fields fans).

If you're willing to compare that group to Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson etc. - guys who went 10-11 in the same draft - I don't know what to tell you.  I think that's kind of silly and not all that honest.  Fields had a much better corps of WR in college than Caleb Williams does.
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« Reply #1673 on: December 11, 2023, 01:50:40 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 01:48:10 PM
Schleps.



Jordan Addison is literally in the NFL right now.  He was not on Caleb Williams' team this season.
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« Reply #1674 on: December 11, 2023, 01:51:32 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 01:36:00 PM
Which non Pro Bowl Bears player is your offensive MVP? There’s plenty to choose from.

BTW DJ Moore will be making his first Pro Bowl this year, thanks to his upgrade at QB. I think they still have a perfect passer rating together this year? 13 games in.

And his upgraded QB is a pro bowler too, right?

Or has he been extremely average?
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« Reply #1675 on: December 11, 2023, 01:52:27 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 01:30:53 PM
Your concern has been noted.

LOL.

You better hope you're right about Justin Fields.

You're likely to hear about it a lot for the rest of the time you spend here if you aren't.

You're at least twice as bullish about Fields as I was about Trubisky, and you thought that was worth mocking me for years.

I'm sure if you end up wrong you'll make some excuse though.  Seems to be the way of it.  You seem like the dude who could watch Fields go elsewhere and wash out of the league like Mitch is going to, and still be ranting in a decade about Getsy's play calling against the Lions in 2023 as the only reason Fields wasn't great.
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« Reply #1676 on: December 11, 2023, 01:54:10 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 01:42:03 PM
Granted, this is from a fantasy perspective, but the difference in production is stark. You think giving Fields MHJ doesn’t help? GTFOH



No idea.  MHJ isn't a sure thing either.

I will say, if your QB needs TWO #1 WRs to be better than the average passer we've seen this year, that isn't a good sign.
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« Reply #1677 on: December 11, 2023, 01:55:23 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 01:49:55 PM
Jordan Addison is in the NFL, he wasn't on USC this year.

Are any of those other guys top prospects?  PFF says Brenden Rice is the best of them, they had him ranked as the 96th best player and 14th best WR on their draft board this year.  They said he was the 88th best WR by play this year.  They have Mario Williams as the 226th ranked prospect (there are 224 picks in the NFL draft) and the 450th best WR by play.  I think Tahj Washington is below that as he isn't on the list - various other sites have him ranked 366th overall, "late day 3", a 7th round projection.  No idea how credible, but doesn't seem like pretty much anyone thinks there was some particularly good crop of WR at USC this year (other than Fields fans).

If you're willing to compare that group to Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson etc. - guys who went 10-11 in the same draft - I don't know what to tell you.  I think that's kind of silly and not all that honest.  Fields had a much better corps of WR in college than Caleb Williams does.

He was on the team the year Caleb Williams won the Heisman Trophy and became “the next generational” quarterback. So we’re not counting Williams’ Heisman year as part of his college production? Weird stipulation.
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« Reply #1678 on: December 11, 2023, 01:56:52 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 01:54:10 PM
No idea.  MHJ isn't a sure thing either.

I will say, if your QB needs TWO #1 WRs to be better than the average passer we've seen this year, that isn't a good sign.

Why do you hate Jalen Hurts?
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