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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1635 on: December 11, 2023, 09:32:31 AM »
Flacco was playoff MVP 10 years ago, so 9 years of below average passing is sustainable.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1636 on: December 11, 2023, 09:37:02 AM »
Flacco was a career mediocre passer who had had one great playoff run in a contract year and then they paid him a ton of money based on a very small sample size of good play, hamstrung the rest of their roster, and never got anywhere near another SB.  Another guy you probably don’t want to include in the Fields discussion, he’s an amazing example of how stupid it is to give huge deals to guys who haven’t shown the ability to be good passers consistently (even if their short stretch of great play was at the biggest moment).

You’re exceptionally bad at this.
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« Reply #1637 on: December 11, 2023, 10:42:16 AM »
If we do what the Giants did with Daniel Jones or the Bulls did with Lavine, I might just be done with the Bears. Those are terrible fucking contracts that cripple a franchise.
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« Reply #1638 on: December 11, 2023, 10:55:53 AM »
Caleb Williams on day 1 would be a better passer than Justin Fields. Without a doubt.
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« Reply #1639 on: December 11, 2023, 12:04:33 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 11, 2023, 10:55:53 AM
Caleb Williams on day 1 would be a better passer than Justin Fields. Without a doubt.

This is exactly as stupid as the people so confident Caleb Williams sucks and is obviously a huge bust.

There is no way to know whether he is a better passer on Day 1 than Fields.  We know he has a very high ceiling, and probably a lower floor than what we’ve seen of Fields so far.  We also know he will be considerably cheaper than Fields will be to keep 18 months from now, giving the Bears a lot more flexibility to build a great roster around him for the next five seasons.  He resets the QB salary timer, which is a big part of winning in the NFL. 

There are no sure things in the NFL.  Caleb Williams is not definitely a better passer than Fields on day 1.  He IS a really good prospect, though.  Before this season he was nearly unanimously considered the best QB prospect in a couple decades.  Some of his shine came off because he was on a worse team this year, but he’s still the same guy NFL scouts said that about.  That isn’t a sure thing; just a really good prospect.  Pretty much everyone other than Bears fans who want to keep Fields seem to agree that he is a really good QB prospect historically.

I do think it’s funny watching the Mahomes stuff yesterday - if Caleb Williams had done anything half that crazy Bears fans would be declaring him a bigger bust than JaMarcus Russell.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1640 on: December 11, 2023, 12:28:44 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 11, 2023, 10:55:53 AM
Caleb Williams on day 1 would be a better passer than Justin Fields. Without a doubt.

Better than the most accurate passer in the college PFF era, without a doubt!
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1641 on: December 11, 2023, 12:29:58 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 09:37:02 AM
Flacco was a career mediocre passer who had had one great playoff run in a contract year and then they paid him a ton of money based on a very small sample size of good play, hamstrung the rest of their roster, and never got anywhere near another SB.  Another guy you probably don’t want to include in the Fields discussion, he’s an amazing example of how stupid it is to give huge deals to guys who haven’t shown the ability to be good passers consistently (even if their short stretch of great play was at the biggest moment).

You’re exceptionally bad at this.

Yet the guy started like 8 years. I’m exceptionally bad at this.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1642 on: December 11, 2023, 12:31:35 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 12:28:44 PM
Better than the most accurate passer in the college PFF era, without a doubt!

Yep! I can play this game too!
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« Reply #1643 on: December 11, 2023, 12:36:38 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 12:29:58 PM
Yet the guy started like 8 years. I’m exceptionally bad at this.

Yep.

The guy was a mediocre QB on a huge contract for many years, which hamstrung his team and made it so they couldn't build another title contender around him.  He wasn't good enough to elevate middling talent, and he was too expensive to go get better talent.  He's the poster boy for why paying a dude a ton of money because of a few games where he was good and ignoring the majority of the games he's played is a huge, easily avoidable mistake - and his games came in the playoffs, not weeks 4 and 5.

Correct, you ARE exceptionally bad at this.  Like, hilariously bad.
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« Reply #1644 on: December 11, 2023, 12:47:31 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 11, 2023, 12:31:35 PM
Yep! I can play this game too!

What game, you lost me. You know who the most accurate college passer in the PFF era is?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1645 on: December 11, 2023, 12:54:14 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 12:36:38 PM
Yep.

The guy was a mediocre QB on a huge contract for many years, which hamstrung his team and made it so they couldn't build another title contender around him.  He wasn't good enough to elevate middling talent, and he was too expensive to go get better talent.  He's the poster boy for why paying a dude a ton of money because of a few games where he was good and ignoring the majority of the games he's played is a huge, easily avoidable mistake - and his games came in the playoffs, not weeks 4 and 5.

Correct, you ARE exceptionally bad at this.  Like, hilariously bad.

Yep, he was so bad the Ravens signed him to ANOTHER 3 year deal after the huge disaster of a deal! Then signed with 3 other teams, earning starts at all of them along the way! I’m exceptionally bad at this!


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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1646 on: December 11, 2023, 12:56:17 PM »
God damn, this thread never disappoints. Propping up Joe Flacco to somehow say Justin Fields is good.

So fucking weird.
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« Reply #1647 on: December 11, 2023, 12:57:27 PM »
Hilariously bad, even!
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« Reply #1648 on: December 11, 2023, 12:58:06 PM »
Quote from: jobu on December 11, 2023, 12:56:17 PM
God damn, this thread never disappoints. Propping up Joe Flacco to somehow say Justin Fields is good.

So fucking weird.

You constantly missing the point is quite entertaining too.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1649 on: December 11, 2023, 12:59:28 PM »
Jobu, want me to explain the tank to you again? Or why 2024 draftees and 2024 FAs haven’t helped the 2023 Bears yet? I’m here for ya!

That win you enjoyed yesterday…brought to you by…The Tank!
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