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Which way do they go?

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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #225 on: December 20, 2023, 11:45:25 PM »
Quote from: Darnell Mooney (womp womp) on December 20, 2023, 11:36:51 PM
I would also try to find an offensive coordinator who is familiar with the San Fran Green Bay scheme then you don’t have to change as much you can just kind of layer stuff in. It doesn’t have to be a massive overhaul of the offense.

So you want to get a guy who kind of has a similar style to Getsy?  :)

Wanted to edit in - this is a joke, for the record.  This is not me trying to extrapolate something you said into something you didn't say.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #226 on: December 20, 2023, 11:46:10 PM »
Quote from: Darnell Mooney (womp womp) on December 20, 2023, 11:35:10 PM
Do you guys really think that DJ Moore and Marvin Harrison JR together isn’t a major upgrade in offensive firepower?

Did anyone say anything even close to this?

I'll also point out that this isn't THAT different than saying the same thing with Caleb's name in there instead of Marvin Harrison.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #227 on: December 21, 2023, 12:02:16 AM »
Let's say you fire Getsy, keep Fields, take MHJ at pick 3-4-5 after a trade-down, and next year Fields looks pretty much the same as he looks this year and also the last two years?  A dude who's explosive, makes great plays with his legs.  Is mediocre in the passing game.  Has terrible numbers in the fourth quarter and clutchtime.  The defense is still good, but even with a new OC and MHJ Fields looks pretty much the same.  You go 9-8, pick at 17 or 18 with another pick around 6-10.  Now what?  You're back in the QB lottery.  It seems like a big risk to take to guess that Fields will make some huge jump in year 4 with a new OC.  It's possible, no doubt, but I think that's often presented as a 'safe' option, and I think it's at least as risky as trading him and taking a shot on a top QB prospect.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #228 on: December 21, 2023, 05:52:58 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 20, 2023, 11:46:10 PM
Did anyone say anything even close to this?

I'll also point out that this isn't THAT different than saying the same thing with Caleb's name in there instead of Marvin Harrison.

I think Harrison is safer than Caleb, but that’s only my opinion.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #229 on: December 21, 2023, 05:54:55 AM »
I think you overestimate the “safety” of a #1 pick. And the fact that you’re now touting Maye tells me you don’t have a lot of conviction, you just want change. Hope and change.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #230 on: December 21, 2023, 09:19:20 AM »
Quote from: Darnell Mooney (womp womp) on December 21, 2023, 05:52:58 AM
I think Harrison is safer than Caleb, but that’s only my opinion.

Correct, it is.  And all the stuff people talk about with pulling late round QBs applies even more to WR.  WR is one of the deepest skill positions in the league right now.  The best guy out there was a 5th round draft pick.

Marvin Harrison looks like a great talent.  He plays a position where he will rely on having good QB play to be successful.  If the Bears pick him without a good QB his upside will be considerably limited.  Not to mention that Fields hasn’t really shown much of an ability to feed a WR2 to this point in his career.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #231 on: December 21, 2023, 09:22:58 AM »
Quote from: Darnell Mooney (womp womp) on December 21, 2023, 05:54:55 AM
I think you overestimate the “safety” of a #1 pick. And the fact that you’re now touting Maye tells me you don’t have a lot of conviction, you just want change. Hope and change.

Correct.  The QB the Bears currently have has started 37 NFL games and is still mediocre.  Despite the multiple times you have claimed some corner was turned, he is still mediocre week to week.  I know you lose track of this in your mile long list of excuses, but you only have to make those excuses so often because Fields has not been very good.  He has never shown the ability to be a consistently good quarterback.  He will be expensive after next year.  I have a ton of conviction that Justin Fields is not very good to this point - but that isn’t like, something most people would find controversial.  The “keep fields” argument is entirely based on hope that he makes a very rare year 3 to year 4 jump.

The Bears have an extremely rare chance at the very top of a draft with multiple great QB prospects.  It’s time for a change, regardless of which guy it is.  I like Williams more than Maye from what I’ve seen of them, but I trust Poles to decide between them.

You are “hoping” just as much. Hoping Fields suddenly gets a lot better in his fourth year as a starter.  History tells us if a QB isn’t that much better between years 2 and 3, the chances they make a huge jump in year 4 are small. 
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #232 on: December 21, 2023, 11:54:18 AM »
37 games, conveniently dismisses that the vast majority of “support” he’s been given is trash.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #233 on: December 21, 2023, 11:55:23 AM »
I’ve heard an awful lot of people the last few weeks who may or may not know as much about football as spark mandrel say that fields is improving and worth holding onto. But Spark disagrees so their opinions are invalid.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #234 on: December 21, 2023, 11:56:08 AM »
People who are experienced in the NFL and paid to have opinions on such matters, but they are stupid only spark knows
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #235 on: December 21, 2023, 11:56:28 AM »
Quote from: Darnell Mooney (womp womp) on December 21, 2023, 11:55:23 AM
I’ve heard an awful lot of people the last few weeks who may or may not know as much about football as spark mandrel say that fields is improving and worth holding onto. But Spark disagrees so their opinions are invalid.

It really is pointless to talk to you. Just fucking pointless.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #236 on: December 21, 2023, 12:01:39 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on December 21, 2023, 11:56:28 AM
It really is pointless to talk to you. Just fucking pointless.

Hey man, it’s a lot of fun getting shouted down that your opinion is the only one that matters not the ones that disagree with you
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #237 on: December 21, 2023, 12:02:28 PM »
I have never once fucking said that the case to keep Justin Fields is inarguable. But I’m apparently being told the case to get rid of him is.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #238 on: December 21, 2023, 12:04:24 PM »
Quote from: Darnell Mooney (womp womp) on December 21, 2023, 12:02:28 PM
I have never once fucking said that the case to keep Justin Fields is inarguable. But I’m apparently being told the case to get rid of him is.

Never once have I said it.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #239 on: December 21, 2023, 12:16:50 PM »
There are strong opinions on both sides of it. The only one that matters is Poles. I think we can at least agree on that.
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