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Which way do they go?

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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #210 on: December 20, 2023, 07:28:10 PM »
If they are keeping Flus (and I think they will minus another embarrassing loss), I think his best chance to win next year is to bring Fields back. If they bring in a new regime, it makes more sense to bring in a new quarterback in that scenario. A week ago I’d have said Flus is back for sure, the fashion in which they lost (especially having Justin Jones in coverage against Njoku) was a blow to the case of keeping him. Having said that, go 2-1 with no embarrassing moments and I think he’s back.

Can’t see them rebuilding the offense from scratch under Flus if he is back. Cant see how Getsy is back, though.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #211 on: December 20, 2023, 07:30:01 PM »
Out of the three (Flus, Fields, Getsy), Getsy is pretty clearly the worst at his job. Just can’t see him back under any scenario.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #212 on: December 20, 2023, 07:36:27 PM »
If you bring Flus back and start all over with the offense (new OC and rookie QB), you’re basically saying Flus gets at least two more years. I think next year is a playoffs or bust year. The roster is far from complete, but with another draft and free agent class there’s no reason this team shouldn’t be in the playoff mix. Certainly couldn’t see Flus signing off on a new offense (OC and QB) if he knows he’s on the hot seat (in the end not his choice, however). That would be setting him up for the executioner though. In that case, why not just change coaches now?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #213 on: December 20, 2023, 07:43:22 PM »
I gave PAMan a tongue in cheek explanation as to why Getsy hasn’t been fired yet (well, there’s probably no one competent to take his place for one), but tbh I think there may be validity to my theory.

If Poles fired him now, he’s shooting his wad early. The pressure mounts on Justin, the offense and Flus to turn it around now. If he waits to shitcan Getsy at the end of the year, then it’s fresh blood for the masses and it’s easier to justify keeping Justin. If he fires Getsy and the rest of the season is a flop you’re out of excuses. Plus, the Bears don’t fire coaches in-season (unless it’s HR stepping in).
« Last Edit: December 20, 2023, 07:45:09 PM by Playmaker who doesn’t make plays »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #214 on: December 20, 2023, 08:06:23 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 20, 2023, 07:28:10 PM
If they are keeping Flus (and I think they will minus another embarrassing loss), I think his best chance to win next year is to bring Fields back. If they bring in a new regime, it makes more sense to bring in a new quarterback in that scenario. A week ago I’d have said Flus is back for sure, the fashion in which they lost (especially having Justin Jones in coverage against Njoku) was a blow to the case of keeping him. Having said that, go 2-1 with no embarrassing moments and I think he’s back.

Can’t see them rebuilding the offense from scratch under Flus if he is back. Cant see how Getsy is back, though.

This is the disaster scenario.

Bring back the mediocre QB and coach and cross your fingers the guy you scapegoated was actually the problem.  Would be a huge, easily avoidable mistake.

If I had the reins they'd all be gone.

If I was a betting man, I'd bet on Getsy and Fields being gone and Eberflus staying.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #215 on: December 20, 2023, 08:33:02 PM »
I don’t think they’re gonna stick with Fields if they get rid of Getsy. If he goes , so does Fields in my opinion. Like Spark said, you almost can’t. No way Poles allows Fields another OC and to try and learn a new system AGAIN. That would be a waste and nightmare scenario.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #216 on: December 20, 2023, 08:34:42 PM »
It's also not remotely fair to Justin Fields to put him in a position to learn his third new offense in his second straight "prove it" season.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #217 on: December 20, 2023, 08:36:43 PM »
Agreed.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #218 on: December 20, 2023, 10:11:46 PM »
He's shown he does not have the ability to learn any offense in the last 3 years. They can't be that stupid to try again. Well, it is the Bear, so, yes, they are.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #219 on: December 20, 2023, 11:32:34 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 20, 2023, 08:33:02 PM
I don’t think they’re gonna stick with Fields if they get rid of Getsy. If he goes , so does Fields in my opinion. Like Spark said, you almost can’t. No way Poles allows Fields another OC and to try and learn a new system AGAIN. That would be a waste and nightmare scenario.

I don’t think learning the system will be as difficult if you have a system that actually takes advantage of his talents, and he can do more than just run
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #220 on: December 20, 2023, 11:33:34 PM »
Not to mention upgrading the skill position players would almost certainly help. There is ample evidence of that happening for other quarterbacks in the last few years
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #221 on: December 20, 2023, 11:35:10 PM »
Do you guys really think that DJ Moore and Marvin Harrison JR together isn’t a major upgrade in offensive firepower?
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #222 on: December 20, 2023, 11:36:51 PM »
I would also try to find an offensive coordinator who is familiar with the San Fran Green Bay scheme then you don’t have to change as much you can just kind of layer stuff in. It doesn’t have to be a massive overhaul of the offense.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #223 on: December 20, 2023, 11:38:07 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 20, 2023, 08:34:42 PM
It's also not remotely fair to Justin Fields to put him in a position to learn his third new offense in his second straight "prove it" season.

He’s probably gonna be in a prove it season no matter where he goes.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #224 on: December 20, 2023, 11:41:46 PM »
Quote from: Darnell Mooney (womp womp) on December 20, 2023, 11:38:07 PM
He’s probably gonna be in a prove it season no matter where he goes.

Totally disagree.

If another team is going to trade assets for Fields, part of making that trade is the decision to also exercise that option.  If you think there's any possibility that you're trading for one year of bad Fields, you don't trade any decent pick.

The Bears aren't in that situation.
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