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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: ILLove1997 on January 13, 2023, 10:42:29 AM
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Game thread for the game tonight at 8PM CST (6PST)!!!!
Illinois are 5.5 point favorites, lets fucking go!
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Good headline. LOL.
I think game is at 800 PM CST though right??
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The radio station said it was tonight. News to me. But then, I still am not ready to believe the team doesn't suck, so my interest level is lower.
I will say that Coleman Hawkins progressed past Ralph Malph level in the last 2 games.
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Dammit I’ve got a social engagement at 7 where there won’t be any TVs.
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The radio station said it was tonight. News to me. But then, I still am not ready to believe the team doesn't suck, so my interest level is lower.
I will say that Coleman Hawkins progressed past Ralph Malph level in the last 2 games.
I think they have clearly simplified on both sides of the ball, got Hawkins off the fcking ball, are going inside out on offense, playing better tougher on ball D, and also told people to give the ball to TJS and get the fck out of the way.
All good things.
I think we should end up around 10-10 in BT. The league is full of Top 40 teams and then Purdue is Top 10.
We can win or lose on any night. A few bounces go our way, or not, will be the difference between 9/10/11 wins in league.
Tonight is a game that will be a street fight. MSU looks pretty good right now.
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Game thread for the game tonight at 6PM CST!!!!
Illinois are 5.5 point favorites, lets fucking go!
8pm CST on FS1 with Tim Brando and Casey Jacobsen.
We don't play again until Mon the 16th vs the gofs. This is our last chance to sway minds on our free shot shooting before the 16th.
I don't know how we're favored. Virtually every game should be a pick 'em game until further notice.
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Shocker that QAnon97 spreading misinformation
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Dammit I’ve got a social engagement at 7 where there won’t be any TVs.
Download the YouTubeTV app on your phone.
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Shocker that QAnon97 spreading misinformation
The Google apparently fucks around with time zones
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Download the YouTubeTV app on your phone.
I have it. I actually used it to watch the end of the Chattanooga game at this same event last year (it’s moved up 2 months). But it’s kind of a pain in the ass when I’m supposed to be schmoozing.
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8pm CST on FS1 with Tim Brando and Casey Jacobsen.
We don't play again until Mon the 16th vs the gofs. This is our last chance to sway minds on our free shot shooting before the 16th.
I don't know how we're favored. Virtually every game should be a pick 'em game until further notice.
Our home court point bump is pretty average at 3.0. KenPom has it as 71-66 Illini.
So a couple possessions. About right for most every game.
And in case anyone is wondering we are ranked 306th in country in Free Shot percentage. ;D
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Our home court point bump is pretty average at 3.0. KenPom has it as 71-66 Illini.
So a couple possessions. About right for most every game.
And in case anyone is wondering we are ranked 306th in country in Free Shot percentage. ;D
I understand the home court advantage, but we have yet to show an identity. There's no telling what we'll see tonight out of the team. Hopefully the last couple of games sinks in.
I don't understand how we're 93rd in free shot attempts. Bricking 3s and missing 1 and 1s shouldn't add up to 93rd. But it's a very complex issue. Lol.
TSJ has 1/3 of the free shots and is shooting 76%.
The rest of the team is at 61%.
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Our home court point bump is pretty average at 3.0. KenPom has it as 71-66 Illini.
So a couple possessions. About right for most every game.
And in case anyone is wondering we are ranked 306th in country in Free Shot percentage. ;D
Which is why this team will get bounced no later than the first weekend of the tournament.
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8pm CST on FS1 with Tim Brando and Casey Jacobsen.
We don't play again until Mon the 16th vs the gofs. This is our last chance to sway minds on our free shot shooting before the 16th.
I don't know how we're favored. Virtually every game should be a pick 'em game until further notice.
Thank the stars. BTN is starting to become an irritation. I don't think the announcers for the Nebraska game were bad -- just not stellar.
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Thank the stars. BTN is starting to become an irritation. I don't think the announcers for the Nebraska game were bad -- just not stellar.
Low thinkers?!
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I understand the home court advantage, but we have yet to show an identity. There's no telling what we'll see tonight out of the team. Hopefully the last couple of games sinks in.
I don't understand how we're 93rd in free shot attempts. Bricking 3s and missing 1 and 1s shouldn't add up to 93rd. But it's a very complex issue. Lol.
TSJ has 1/3 of the free shots and is shooting 76%.
The rest of the team is at 61%.
I think we are finally developing something resembling what he wants and it should keep us competitive.
Agree- we will see if it sticks.
Win ugly hand to hand combat approach.
Underwood at his core is a Huggybear guy.
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And in case anyone is wondering we are ranked 306th in country in Free Shot percentage. ;D
Some genius here claims it is irrelevant for the next 3 days.
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I kinda feel like we might be turning the corner but then again I wasn’t expecting to get dong whipped by Penn State and Evanston’s Big Ten team after beating two top ten teams so…
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PsychoDomtard has this noted as a loss.
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Dumbfckpedophile had Nebraska as a loss also.
Custard is planning to ban him for being a pathetic human being.
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Some genius here claims it is irrelevant for the next 3 days.
I called it early, after the last game. You clearly weren’t paying attention (surprise).
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I kinda feel like we might be turning the corner but then again I wasn’t expecting to get dong whipped by Penn State and Evanston’s Big Ten team after beating two top ten teams so…
Yep. This team hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt.
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Is that a pink jacket?
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Maybe Salmon?
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Looks like we get bad Hawkins tonight
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Looks like we get bad Hawkins tonight
Maybe he ate some bad salmon.
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Izzo looks near death.
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I love how how Terrance is playing but without him what is this a 19-4 game?
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We have 1 assist
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Yeah this about to get ugly. Our half court offense is nothing outside of Terrance.
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Hawkins looks like he is fcking high.
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I feel like I remember seeing Hawkins as a 1st rounder in a couple mocks. I’m guessing that may not happen…
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He is a complete head case.
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At least it's only 33-28. It should be 15. State missing wide open shots.
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Purdue and MSU are 2 best teams in the weak 10.
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Melendez needs Hawkins minutes for a bit
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Should we all pitch in to buy Underwood the proper color jacket?
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We are 6-6 from the line. Maybe our FT woes were fixed in the nick of time.
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Dainja has new routine and is 4-4 since then
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Jesus…
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Izzos such a fag.
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Hawkins needs to sit more. Especially when he’s doing dumb shit like he did this whole 1st half!
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He is 0-6 and took 3 threes that had zero chance to go in.
Has gotten beat on D several times.
2TOs
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He did have an assist, though…
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Sparty is getting whatever they want in the paint and they've only attempted two threes.
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Underwood said Coleman Hawkins is an elite shooter lol.
Worst coached team in the Big 10. It’s nothing but AAU ball
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State made their run when Meyer went to the bench. We need him on the floor on defensive end.
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Underwood said Coleman Hawkins is an elite shooter lol.
Worst coached team in the Big 10. It’s nothing but AAU ball
I think it is curfew time at the homeless shelter. Run along you fcktard.
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3 for 11 from 3. Sparty gives up 30%.
Shooting 38% vs 52%.
Only 4 turnovers, unless you want to add Hawkins 0-6.
Down 22 to 13 in rebounding.
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Epps limping around
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This team does not equal the sum of its parts. Need to get it together soon. 2-4 in B1G would be a horrific start.
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Shannon has been stuck on 15 points for quite some time.
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Underwood gets a technical for wearing a salmon colored jacket.
WTF where did that come from?
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Rj sure does stand around A lot while on the floor
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fuck that looks serious
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That is not good.
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Well, it looks like he will be done for a little while.
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Dain's spin move is boss
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Dain's spin move is boss
Pretty nifty.
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Domtard's guy, Mayer!
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We can win this. Let's fucking go!
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Mayer having a game.
Let's bring this home.
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Dainja playing well against an MSU front liine is good to see.
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I’ll be surprised if we blow it from here.
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7-8 streak for DD
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10 for 11 from the line. We beat the deadline! Lol
We iz gud at free-shots.
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Mayer having game of his life.
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All of this with Shannon on the bench.
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Mayer having game of his life.
He’s been good. Hope this keeps up.
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Then RJ bricks 2 out of 3 FTs. Ugh.
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Hoogard picks up his 3rd and the guy he was guarding never saw the ball after that.
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Mayer having game of his life.
The 5 blocks are what is most impressive. Took 10 points from State off the board.
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Why is underwhelms coat pink?
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Dain should have passed it back out but it worked out for us.
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Dainja was feeling some Dainja there. Luckily Hawkins was there to clean it up.
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We can do this
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Why is underwhelms coat pink?
Salmon.
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Why is underwhelms coat pink?
Finding the proper color jacket not within the multi-million dollar budget.
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Probably won't get a Dom victory lap tonight.
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We're back at .500 in Big Ten play, gontlemenz!
Thanks to the Baylor guys.
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Probably won't get a Dom victory lap tonight.
No TVs in homeless shelter
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Great win against the hottest team in league.
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83.3% from the line tonight. Based on this one game sample size, I feel confident saying that our free-throw issues are solved…
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We're back at .500 in Big Ten play, gontlemenz!
Thanks to the Baylor guys.
3-3 so much better than 2-4. Big win. Really ugly at times, but got big plays from almost everyone when we needed a play.
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83.3% from the line tonight. Based on this one game sample size, I feel confident saying that our free-throw issues are solved…
hitting free shots is an important skill
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TSJ 17, Mayer 19 and Dainja 20. 3 different scoring options.
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83.3% from the line tonight. Based on this one game sample size, I feel confident saying that our free-throw issues are solved…and just before our critical Jan. 16 deadline.
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1 turnover in the 2nd half and 5 for the game. Who are these guys ?
That's 26 total the last 3 games.
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83.3% from the line tonight. Based on this one game sample size, I feel confident saying that our free-throw issues are solved…
Maybe Dainja corrected his free shot issues. Even his miss looked very much on line.
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Great win tonight.
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Maybe Dainja corrected his free shot issues. Even his miss looked very much on line.
He has clearly installed a pause to get set after he goes around his back before he shoots them. He barely had control of the ball before.
It looks much better.
Kid is a baller.
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Great win tonight.
Was really good to get level and MSU played well. They are a very solid team loaded with guards and wings who can score and they guard hard.
Going to be all tough games in league in next 14. Would be nice to claw out 8 wins from them.
Will take 7.
We are playing at higher level now so should be competing most nights.
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Coaching matters. Nice halftime adjustments.
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and MSU played well.
They went 0-7 on 3s and had 4 assists the entire game.
Just stop. It’s no coincidence you show back up when Illinois has a run of easy games.
I’m sure you’ll magically disappear when the losing resumes next week
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They went 0-7 on 3s and had 4 assists the entire game.
Just stop. It’s no coincidence you show back up when Illinois has a run of easy games.
I’m sure you’ll magically disappear when the losing resumes next week
The hoesRmoaning
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Coaching matters. Nice halftime adjustments.
I thought the only adjustment was getting the home whistles.
MSU was up 50-41 with 13 min left. Underwood gets a T. MSU is then whistled for 9 straight fouls. That’s kind of blatant. I didn’t think MSU deserved to win the game. If you go 0-7 on 3s it’s likely you’ll never win.
Team is far better with Epps in there than Clark. There’s been far fewer turnovers the last 3 games
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Was really good to get level and MSU played well. They are a very solid team loaded with guards and wings who can score and they guard hard.
Going to be all tough games in league in next 14. Would be nice to claw out 8 wins from them.
Will take 7.
We are playing at higher level now so should be competing most nights.
For sure. If we're thinking of taking Minnesota lightly, they just beat OSU on the road. Every game is gonna be a fight to the finish. We got knocked on our ass the last time we overlooked someone. Hope our guys remember that now.
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They went 0-7 on 3s and had 4 assists the entire game.
Just stop. It’s no coincidence you show back up when Illinois has a run of easy games.
I’m sure you’ll magically disappear when the losing resumes next week
Go clean the puke out of your car Uber Bitch.
And then get back to your room at the crackhead shelter.
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We're back
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They went 0-7 on 3s and had 4 assists the entire game.
Wait. I thought Lkdog was a big, bad expert on the sport? How can this be true?
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83.3% from the line tonight. Based on this one game sample size, I feel confident saying that our free-throw issues are solved…and just before our critical Jan. 16 deadline.
Is there a reason why you needed to post this again?
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Is there a reason why you needed to post this again?
Is there a reason you are a perpetual asshole?
...............Didn't think so.
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Is there a reason you are a perpetual asshole?
...............Didn't think so.
Hey man, don’t talk to Legends like that 😂
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Hey man, don’t talk to Legends like that 😂
Don't know who the fck he is. If it is the old Legends he was a crazy drama queen.
This IVMP guy is a fckign eyeore.
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They went 0-7 on 3s and had 4 assists the entire game.
Just stop. It’s no coincidence you show back up when Illinois has a run of easy games.
I’m sure you’ll magically disappear when the losing resumes next week
You stop. Their offense consists of guards scoring on mid range shots. That and offensive rebounding. They are good at it. Hoggard is tough. Most of their missed threes we're playing catch up late in the game.
Does Dainja still remind you of Pruitt?
You really are clueless.
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I think we need to have Lkdog or myself make the game threads till we lose again
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I think we need to have Lkdog or myself make the game threads till we lose again
LOL. Well there will be several losses in next few weeks even though we are doing better.
We are down to 7 guys from the looks of it. Need Goode to get ready.
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LOL. Well there will be several losses in next few weeks even though we are doing better.
We are down to 7 guys from the looks of it. Need Goode to get ready.
Harris needs to step up defensively.
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I think we need to have Lkdog or myself make the game threads till we lose again
Funny enough, I was ready to suggest the same thing.
So it is done. I am stepping down from my unofficial role of thread creator. Though we had our moments in my time (Texas and UCLA), the mid-December /early January shitshow happened under my watch. It's time for a new voice or two in that department.
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Harris needs to step up defensively.
Dunno. He has had a couple rough games over committing trying to get steals, and getting beat off the dribble and his injury looked not good. Hope he is OK.
Rodgers was not good tonight either. Didn't have the energy he usually does.
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Funny enough, I was ready to suggest the same thing.
So it is done. I am stepping down from my unofficial role of thread creator. Though we had our moments in my time (Texas and UCLA), the mid-December /early January shitshow happened under my watch. It's time for a new voice or two in that department.
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No hard feelings it happens to all of us
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Dunno. He has had a couple rough games over committing trying to get steals, and getting beat off the dribble and his injury looked not good. Hope he is OK.
Rodgers was not good tonight either. Didn't have the energy he usually does.
Brain fart. I meant Rodgers needs to step up defensively if Harris is out.
Heard Harris is probably good to go though.
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How is it going peckernaughts? Great win. I went to the official UI game watch party in East Nashville. Illini attendance out performed Sparty 5-1.
Good win, still a lot to work on. On the way home, I stopped at this dive bar near home and Lzzy Hale of Halestorm was there and jumped onstage to sing a Pat Benatar song. I talked to her about the music industry at the bar while I was getting a beer. She was super nice. When I left she said "gimme a hug".
So needless to say, it was a good night. ILL!!
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Brain fart. I meant Rodgers needs to step up defensively if Harris is out.
Heard Harris is probably good to go though.
Good news.
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How is it going peckernaughts? Great win. I went to the official UI game watch party in East Nashville. Illini attendance out performed Sparty 5-1.
Good win, still a lot to work on. On the way home, I stopped at this dive bar near home and Lzzy Hale of Halestorm was there and jumped onstage to sing a Pat Benatar song. I talked to her about the music industry at the bar while I was getting a beer. She was super nice. When I left she said "gimme a hug".
So needless to say, it was a good night. ILL!!
;D
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I think we need to have Lkdog or myself make the game threads till we lose again
I dub the the new IlliniHimey.
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Brain fart. I meant Rodgers needs to step up defensively if Harris is out.
Heard Harris is probably good to go though.
That is good news. I was pretty optimistic it was more of a bruise or something similar than something worse.
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Brain fart. I meant Rodgers needs to step up defensively if Harris is out.
Heard Harris is probably good to go though.
When he grabbed the knee it didn't look good, but ..
"Update: Illinois men's basketball head coach Brad Underwood said Sencire Harris tried to check back into the game after the injury, but the medical staff would not allow him to return. Underwood said it is a bruise in postgame comments."
StL Post Dispatch
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we will be favored next 3
15-5 6-3 looks and sounds good
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How is it going peckernaughts? Great win. I went to the official UI game watch party in East Nashville. Illini attendance out performed Sparty 5-1.
Good win, still a lot to work on. On the way home, I stopped at this dive bar near home and Lzzy Hale of Halestorm was there and jumped onstage to sing a Pat Benatar song. I talked to her about the music industry at the bar while I was getting a beer. She was super nice. When I left she said "gimme a hug".
So needless to say, it was a good night. ILL!!
Awesome story. She has some good pipes!
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I thought the only adjustment was getting the home whistles.
MSU was up 50-41 with 13 min left. Underwood gets a T. MSU is then whistled for 9 straight fouls. That’s kind of blatant. I didn’t think MSU deserved to win the game. If you go 0-7 on 3s it’s likely you’ll never win.
Team is far better with Epps in there than Clark. There’s been far fewer turnovers the last 3 games
Lol. Maybe Karen can buy you a tv from Goodwill so you can watch the games and not have such awful takes.
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This is the first time Dainja has impressed me on the offensive end. MSU is always tough inside, and Dainja put together a nice game.
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This is the first time Dainja has impressed me on the offensive end. MSU is always tough inside, and Dainja put together a nice game.
He had 13 going 6-6 from the floor vs UCLA but yep, yesterday was his best game vs a power 5 school. 20 pts, 7 rebounds and 0 fouls. He picked up most of his rebounds late, but if he can work on his rebounding game .....
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Matthew Mayer. Just a guy. Selfish. ;D
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Good to see Smitty posting.
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This is the first time Dainja has impressed me on the offensive end. MSU is always tough inside, and Dainja put together a nice game.
He is very very unique post with ball skills. Looks like he is gaining confidence.
Will be interesting to see how he matches up with Rutgers, Purdue, and UM inside.
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Good to see Smitty posting.
Yep.
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He had 13 going 6-6 from the floor vs UCLA but yep, yesterday was his best game vs a power 5 school. 20 pts, 7 rebounds and 0 fouls. He picked up most of his rebounds late, but if he can work on his rebounding game .....
I was unable to watch the UCLA game.
His hand eye coordination doesn't seem good, but Dainja's huge and talented. Hoping last night gives him confidence.
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He is very very unique post with ball skills. Looks like he is gaining confidence.
Will be interesting to see how he matches up with Rutgers, Purdue, and UM inside.
Dainja will struggle vs taller players bc he has no lift. Maybe he can be Shaun Pruitt at best.
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I was unable to watch the UCLA game.
His hand eye coordination doesn't seem good, but Dainja's huge and talented. Hoping last night gives him confidence.
I might have a different take on the eye hand coordination thing, but maybe we are talking different things here.
His quickness, good feet, passing, ability to dribble to a spot under control (within limits), spin moves, reverse layups, and ability to shoot with either hand seem pretty decent for his size.
A lot of Trevion Williams in his game. Maybe he will get to that level down the road.
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I might have a different take on the eye hand coordination thing, but maybe we are talking different things here.
His quickness, good feet, passing, ability to dribble to a spot under control (within limits), spin moves, reverse layups, and ability to shoot with either hand seem pretty decent for his size.
A lot of Trevion Williams in his game. Maybe he will get to that level down the road.
I don't watch every game, but he seems to struggle with catching the ball. Of course, I wouldn't call this a good passing team, so that doesn't help.
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This is the first time Dainja has impressed me on the offensive end. MSU is always tough inside, and Dainja put together a nice game.
He looked good, but there was one sequence where he either lost his man on defense or failed to help, and then he was way out of position on the boards.
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Is there a reason you are a perpetual asshole?
...............Didn't think so.
Wasn't even talking to you, windbag. Don't you have some meaningless post-game posts to craft? At least one person here hangs on every word of your analysis.
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Wasn't even talking to you, windbag. Don't you have some meaningless post-game posts to craft? At least one person here hangs on every word of your analysis.
Occasionally your take on things borders on Dom prickiness. This one is beyond the pale. Did we ever figure out you name?
IV = 4? Intravenous?
MP = military police? methylprednisolone?
There are a few people here who have interesting takes on various topics. Others are funny. That does not mean anyone hangs on every word.
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Said it after the UCLA game. He's legit. Dain is quite nimble with solid footwork and good handles for a big guy. He's a little wild at times but with this being basically his freshman year I can live with the growing pains. Wish we'd run more actions with him because I feel we operate at our best when he gets a post touch or two per possession.
His battles with Kofi in practice have paid dividends.
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Wasn't even talking to you, windbag. Don't you have some meaningless post-game posts to craft? At least one person here hangs on every word of your analysis.
That one person is apparently you.
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His length, ball skills, agility, ambidexterity, and footwork jumped out of his videos.
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Pruitt started on a top 15 team as a soph. Dainja isn’t as good as him. Period.
The fact you go on about 1 game is ridiculous.
Why don’t you tell us all how good Ty Rodgers is? Or Sky Clark? They both suck and I told you that before they got here.
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Said it after the UCLA game. He's legit. Dain is quite nimble with solid footwork and good handles for a big guy. He's a little wild at times but with this being basically his freshman year I can live with the growing pains. Wish we'd run more actions with him because I feel we operate at our best when he gets a post touch or two per possession.
His battles with Kofi in practice have paid dividends.
Dainja is a 3rd year “freshman” though.
He’s going to be 21 in July. He should be looked at in the same way Coleman Hawkins is. That’s his experience level. Hawkins is who he is at this point. Same with Dainja. He’s not going to get much better. He’s a functional role player but if he’s your best player you aren’t going to be very good as a team.
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Pruitt started on a top 15 team as a soph. Dainja isn’t as good as him. Period.
As a freshman, Pruitt played in 19 games and averaged less than 5 mph. Wtf are you talking about?
He did start as a sophomore on a pretty good team led by Dee Brown.
Dainja is much longer, has considerably better ball skills, bigger hands, can shoot or pass with either hand, has better foot work, is a vastly better shot blocker, better passer ...
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Illini have to finish 5-11 for the board idiot to be right.
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That one person is apparently you.
Nope. You're a blowhard and prove it in every post. None of your game thoughts has any meaning. I could talk to a random person on the street, and their thoughts would be more interesting. You're basically a washed-up, dried-up, shriveled hanger-on from the old board, where any number of braindeads hung on your every word. Here, you have one fan.
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Occasionally your take on things borders on Dom prickiness. This one is beyond the pale. Did we ever figure out you name?
IV = 4? Intravenous?
MP = military police? methylprednisolone?
There are a few people here who have interesting takes on various topics. Others are funny. That does not mean anyone hangs on every word.
LOL. I knew that would make you come running.
Now go say "Ditto" to a Lapdog post, rubber stamp.
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Somebody's cranky today and needs a nap
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LOL. I knew that would make you come running.
I respect Chicken George's knowledge about rock music. I have some knowledge up to a certain point, but then it became too much of a hassle to follow. I never got into punk, metal, or all the variations. I liked prog before it was called prog prog, and classic rock when it was contemporary.
That does not mean I necessarily agree on Chicken's take on music or even like his personna.
Never agreed with Rob McColley much, but we do have mutual acquaintances in the real world and I have children his age. I found his views expressed here quirky and interesting.
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Dainja is a 3rd year “freshman” though.
He’s going to be 21 in July. He should be looked at in the same way Coleman Hawkins is. That’s his experience level. Hawkins is who he is at this point. Same with Dainja. [blah, blah, blah]
Interesting take..
DoB:
Dain Dainja Jul 16 2002
Sencire Harris Sep 28 2002
Jayden Epps Nov 12 2003
Ty Rodgers May 3 2004
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As a freshman, Pruitt played in 19 games and averaged less than 5 mph. Wtf are you talking about?
He did start as a sophomore on a pretty good team led by Dee Brown.
Dainja is much longer, has considerably better ball skills, bigger hands, can shoot or pass with either hand, has better foot work, is a vastly better shot blocker, better passer ...
Shaun Pruitt’s freshman year was the 2004-05 team. Did you expect him to get minutes over Augustine?
Dainja is in his 3rd year of college. To think of him as a freshman is retarded.
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Nothing like a good board scrap.
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Nope. You're a blowhard and prove it in every post. None of your game thoughts has any meaning. I could talk to a random person on the street, and their thoughts would be more interesting. You're basically a washed-up, dried-up, shriveled hanger-on from the old board, where any number of braindeads hung on your every word. Here, you have one fan.
You seem to have significant mental health issues.
There is help out there for that.
Don't be ashamed to pick up the phone.
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"The #Illini held Michigan State without a 3-point field goal, the first time the Spartans went 0-for behind the arc since March 4, 2021.
It's the first time Illinois held an opponent without a 3-point make since Jan. 30, 2008, ... ." https://twitter.com/IlliniStats/status/1614120607930630145?t=27crXcxs9L9vuX25UDzICA&s=19
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Here you go little guy.
SAMHSA Mental Health Helpline. We are all pulling for you.
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Wasn't even talking to you, windbag. Don't you have some meaningless post-game posts to craft? At least one person here hangs on every word of your analysis.
LKDog is responsible for probably 80% of the intelligent basketball discussion that goes on here. The basketball forum would probably flatline without him.
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LKDog is responsible for probably 80% of the intelligent basketball discussion that goes on here. The basketball forum would probably flatline without him.
Do you hang on his every word?
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Matt Mayer apologized for running his mouth in public and credits Uberwood with the turn around.
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LKDog is responsible for probably 80% of the intelligent basketball discussion that goes on here. The basketball forum would probably flatline without him.
The fact you think this is priceless.
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Here umduhblah*splat*
Good one, lapdog.
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Do you hang on his every word?
No, but unlike a lot of posts, his are generally worth reading.
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No, but unlike a lot of posts, his are generally worth reading.
Like the one Dominic smacked down with like two seconds of thought? You support some real geniuses.
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Like the one Dominic smacked down with like two seconds of thought? You support some real geniuses.
So you support Dom?
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Like the one Dominic smacked down with like two seconds of thought? You support some real geniuses.
He claimed MSU did not play well because they did not make any threes and had few assists.
Of course, they only attempted 7 threes, most when they were playing catch up late in the game. They were scoring on mid range shots off the dribble; which also helps explain the low assist total.
MSU shot just under 50% inside the arc, despite a swarming Illini defense that blocked 10 shots..
Dom ignored the fact that MSU out rebounded us 42 - 30 and had 15 offensive rebounds.
In that post Dom also failed to mention that MSU led most of the game and had double digit lead late in the 2nd half.
In addition, he contradicted himself in a subsequent post. He noted that MSU had a good lead when BU got 2nd half technical. He blamed our rally on home cooking from the refs, not poor play by MSU.
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Dom still insists Ty Rodgers does not belong, despite his defensive and rebounding efforts against the Badgers and Cornhole. Note that Rodgers won't be 19 until May.
Dom is down on Dainja because he will be 21 in July.
Dom is high on Harris, who will be 21 in September.
Dom gloats because Skyy Clark is reportedly having personal off court issues, and is taking time off from basketball. Dom is sure that proved he was right.
Related: insiders posted that Ayo spent all his free time in the gym getting better at basketball. Belo, otoh, even before the head injury, supposedly liked to party all the time. Also hinted some partied hard and late the night before the PSU debacle. Didn't mention names. fwiw
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So you support Dom?
No. But that post was solid.
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He claimed MSU did not play well because they did not make any threes and had few assists.
Of course, they only attempted 7 threes, most when they were playing catch up late in the game. They were scoring on mid range shots off the dribble; which also helps explain the low assist total.
MSU shot just under 50% inside the arc, despite a swarming Illini defense that blocked 10 shots..
Dom ignored the fact that MSU out rebounded us 42 - 30 and had 15 offensive rebounds.
In that post Dom also failed to mention that MSU led most of the game and had double digit lead late in the 2nd half.
In addition, he contradicted himself in a subsequent post. He noted that MSU had a good lead when BU got 2nd half technical. He blamed our rally on home cooking from the refs, not poor play by MSU.
All true. But those are indications that Illinois did not play a great game, yet still won. Licksdogs was arguing Illinois was GREAT!!!
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Related: insiders posted that Ayo spent all his free time in the gym getting better at basketball. Belo, otoh, even before the head injury, supposedly liked to party all the time. Also hinted some partied hard and late the night before the PSU debacle. Didn't mention names. fwiw
And how is any of that related?
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All true. But those are indications that Illinois did not play a great game, yet still won. Licksdogs was arguing Illinois was GREAT!!!
His words: "Great win against the hottest team in league."
A great win, which I agree with, is not saying Illinois was great.
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And how is any of that related?
Figure it out.
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All true. But those are indications that Illinois did not play a great game, yet still won. Licksdogs was arguing Illinois was GREAT!!!
In the post Dom replied to, LK wrote:
"Was really good to get level and MSU played well. They are a very solid team loaded with guards and wings who can score and they guard hard."
Dom cited the 3 pt and assists to argue that MSU didn't play well. You seemed to agree.
MSU actually played pretty well. Blame the refs or credit Illinois, it was not good enough.
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We need a popcorn earting emoji, Custard.
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We need a popcorn earting emoji, Custard.
I like earting popcorn.
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I like earting popcorn.
Who doesn't?
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Figure it out.
LOL.
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His words: "Great win against the hottest team in league."
A great win, which I agree with, is not saying Illinois was great.
My bad. He said MSU played well. By default, that would mean Illinois played well, as the team is not great enough to suck and beat a team that played well (Northwestern, Maryland, Mizzou, etc.)
But let's keep parsing so that Lkdork can feel good about himself. Wouldn't want him to run off!
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My bad. He said MSU played well. By default, that would mean Illinois played well,
Things IL did well:
10 blocks, 4 steals, only 5 turnovers, 11 assists. Only 10 personal fouls. Shot 83% from the line, 50% from 2, 33% from 3.
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My bad. He said MSU played well. By default, that would mean Illinois played well, as the team is not great enough to suck and beat a team that played well (Northwestern, Maryland, Mizzou, etc.)
But let's keep parsing so that Lkdork can feel good about himself. Wouldn't want him to run off!
Weird flex. 🍿
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Things IL did well:
10 blocks, 4 steals, only 5 turnovers, 11 assists. Only 10 personal fouls. Shot 83% from the line, 50% from 2, 33% from 3.
LOL. Licksdongs said MSU "guards hard." Illinois, which has not been burning up the nets, shot 45 percent from the field.
Also, saying they "guard hard" is meaningless. The KenPom numbers, which I know people here ejaculate to, have them close to the middle of the Big Ten in AdjD. Too many people here STILL do not understand how and when to use statistics.
Keep bending yourself into a pretzel trying to defend his nonsense while also trying to pivot back to actual numbers. Can't do both at the same time.
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Dom still insists Ty Rodgers does not belong, despite his defensive and rebounding efforts against the Badgers and Cornhole. Note that Rodgers won't be 19 until May.
Dom is down on Dainja because he will be 21 in July.
Dom is high on Harris, who will be 21 in September.
Dom gloats because Skyy Clark is reportedly having personal off court issues, and is taking time off from basketball. Dom is sure that proved he was right.
Related: insiders posted that Ayo spent all his free time in the gym getting better at basketball. Belo, otoh, even before the head injury, supposedly liked to party all the time. Also hinted some partied hard and late the night before the PSU debacle. Didn't mention names. fwiw
Skyy Clark sucks because his film showed he sucked. Period. I can analyze film. You can’t.
Ty Rodgers sucks because he’s too short for the skills he has and can’t shoot. He doesn’t have a position at this level.
Harris has upside bc he’s a basketball athlete. His older age is certainly a question mark sure. Absolutely.
Dainja doesn’t have much upside. It’s his 3rd year of college. Look at him like a college Junior. He’s not a very good athlete. Will never be a good athlete.
He has one good game and you run your mouth. Facts are he’s a role player. That’s it.
And the familiar refrain “they lose bc they party too much”. I hate to tell you this, but Illinois loses bc they are horribly coached. They don’t run anything. It’s AAU ball.
Once they start losing starts again you can go back to pretending you missed the games.
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He claimed MSU did not play well because they did not make any threes and had few assists.
Of course, they only attempted 7 threes, most when they were playing catch up late in the game. They were scoring on mid range shots off the dribble; which also helps explain the low assist total.
MSU shot just under 50% inside the arc, despite a swarming Illini defense that blocked 10 shots..
Dom ignored the fact that MSU out rebounded us 42 - 30 and had 15 offensive rebounds.
In that post Dom also failed to mention that MSU led most of the game and had double digit lead late in the 2nd half.
In addition, he contradicted himself in a subsequent post. He noted that MSU had a good lead when BU got 2nd half technical. He blamed our rally on home cooking from the refs, not poor play by MSU.
Are you retarded? Or just senile? MSU played like shit and was still up 9 before the refs changed the game. Just bc they were up 9 doesn’t mean they played well. They were up 9 bc IL is a terrible team and you don’t really need to play well at all to beat a team as bad as Illinois.
Penn State is mediocre. They were up 24 on Illinois.
Mizzou is a good team. They were up 35 on Illinois.
You know why those two teams blew the doors off Illinois? They were taking and making wide open 3s. MSU was 0-7. That’s the difference. Weren’t taking any, weren’t making any.
If you think taking mid range 2s is good basketball, it’s not.
So MSU didn’t play well in any estimation.
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Domtard wasn't high on Kofi Cockburn back when he was a 20 year old freshman.
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Domtard wasn't high on Kofi Cockburn back when he was a 20 year old freshman.
Not many people were. He wasn’t very good at Oak Hill and didn’t have many teams wanting him coming out of HS. Beating out a bad UConn team wasn’t exactly a huge recruiting win.
Kofi was an anomaly and it helped Antigua was good at working with big guys. Illinois got lucky with Kofi and Giorgi vastly ouplaying their HS credentials.
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Yeah. I don’t think many saw two-time All-American and strong POY candidate as Kofi’s likely outcome.
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Yep, Brad and staff just keep getting lucky recruiting and coaching players that end up being good college basketball players and win league championships. Just a fluke guys.
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Yep, Brad and staff just keep getting lucky recruiting and coaching players that end up being good college basketball players and win league championships. Just a fluke guys.
“Good?” I’d say two-time All-America surpasses “good” by a lot. Joe Bertrand was “good.”
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How many two-time All Americans have we had in program history? Two? Three?
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I used the word good to encompass other players besides Kofi and Ayo that have had success here under Brad Underwood.
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Yep, Brad and staff just keep getting lucky recruiting and coaching players that end up being good college basketball players and win league championships. Just a fluke guys.
One guy. Kofi.
Underwood will never win a league championship ever again at Illinois.
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One guy. Kofi.
Underwood will never win a league championship ever again at Illinois.
JFC. I have addressed this before but I’ll get sucked back in again. It’s one of the stupidest arguments I’ve ever seen put forth on any fan forum.
Who assembled the staff that brought this guy who had been playing basketball for a couple years to Champaign and coached him out of a deferential mindset and a bit of a butterball body into a chiseled two time All American?
Then, when Underachiever lost his entire staff, who replaced those guys with another staff that won another B1G title, and that pulled in a top 10 prep class, a top 3 transfer class, and has three top 15 KenPom wins with basically an entirely new team this year? Without Kofi?
Yeah there are growing pains after losing all the starters and 80 some percent of our scoring from last year. But then there’s IU who brought back the same team, added some young talent, was picked to win the B1G, and is now 2-4 in the league.
It’s one thing if you’re saying Weber inherited a bunch of talent and won with it then sucked after it was gone because he couldn’t recruit. Because that’s reality. Brad Underwood has performed at a pretty high level at every stop. He’s been stubborn at times and stuck with flawed philosophies for too long, but he has a very solid history of making adjustments and finishing seasons strong. Until the tourney at least. But even then he performed above expecatations with SFA in the tourney. Despite a lack of tourney success, Illinois basketball is in exponentially better shape than it was at any time from 2005-06 until Underwood got his own guys in here. To argue otherwise is sheer idiocy.
Kofi is one dude. He’s an Illini legend. He should have stayed for this year, he’d be getting paid, laid, and we’d be a top 5 team. But bagging on Underwood because he recruited and coached up a player that got us a lot of wins is one of the most idiotic takes I’ve ever seen in my time as an Illinois message board poster.
He GOT Kofi. He and two different staffs MADE Kofi. Attributing Underachiever’s success to Kofi is a de facto endorsement of Underachiever. It’s both sad and hilarious that it’s beyond your perception.
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I used the word good to encompass other players besides Kofi and Ayo that have had success here Brad Underwood.
I specifically mentioned Kofi.
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I specifically mentioned Kofi.
Point I’m trying to make is there are others that aren’t AA caliber that have done quite well here.
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Skyy Clark sucks because his film showed he sucked. Period. I can analyze film. You can’t.
Ty Rodgers sucks because he’s too short for the skills he has and can’t shoot. He doesn’t have a position at this level.
Harris has upside bc he’s a basketball athlete. His older age is certainly a question mark sure. Absolutely.
Dainja doesn’t have much upside. It’s his 3rd year of college. Look at him like a college Junior. He’s not a very good athlete. Will never be a good athlete.
He has one good game and you run your mouth. Facts are he’s a role player. That’s it.
And the familiar refrain “they lose bc they party too much”. I hate to tell you this, but Illinois loses bc they are horribly coached. They don’t run anything. It’s AAU ball.
Once they start losing starts again you can go back to pretending you missed the games.
Well I guess this means that Dainja is set to be another Elton Brand since Dom is almost always wrong
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Point I’m trying to make is there are others that aren’t AA caliber that have done quite well here.
1. Shocked that he missed the point?
2. Love the switch to "Underchiever" at the end there....
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Well I guess this means that Dainja is set to be another Elton Brand since Dom is almost always wrong
Dainja reminds me of Oliver Miller with his length, hands, and ball skills. That was a different era. Dainja needs a better face up game. Miller got out of shape, ballooned to 380 lbs. Dainja needs to stay in shape.
Dom contradicts himself all the time. He thinks Dainja can't develop further because he is too old.
Harris is the same age, but he can develop because he is an NBA athlete.
Rodgers is two years younger, is a rugged NBA athlete, has better handles and passing skills than Harris, and can guard 1 - 5. Dom seems to think he can't possibly develop a jump shot.
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Over the course of time, Dom has gotten more exaggerated and less truthful in his feverish manifestos regarding Illini sports.
Dude is caught in the downward spiral of addiction, such as drugs and alcohol and teenage tennis players
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1. Shocked that he missed the point?
2. Love the switch to "Underchiever" at the end there....
Never thought I’d see the day you became an ankle biter. The previous three posts were specifically about Kofi. The point was no one could realistically expect him to be back to back 2nd team then 1st team All-American.
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For the record, I’m not bashing on Underwood here. I think he’s been about as good as we could realistically expect him to be. But the fact remains, the overwhelming majority of his success here was with two players. Kofi and Ayo. When they haven’t been around, the results have been mixed at best. He’s off to a weird start again this year, but I expect them to improve. I actually thought this team could contend for a national title a month ago. I hope they do.
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1. Shocked that he missed the point?
2. Love the switch to "Underchiever" at the end there....
Also love the balancing act between “he’s doing great” and “he sucks” that you’re trying to pull off here.
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Yep, Brad and staff just keep getting lucky recruiting and coaching players that end up being good college basketball players and win league championships. Just a fluke guys.
The conversation seemed to be heavily centered on Kofi. So if you were talking about Andres Filez, “my bad?”
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Never thought I’d see the day you became an ankle biter. The previous three posts were specifically about Kofi. The point was no one could realistically expect him to be back to back 2nd team then 1st team All-American.
After his first several games, you could see Kofi would be a big contributor and the 2019-2020 team was a tourney team. Dom didn't think so.
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Over the course of time, Dom has gotten more exaggerated and less truthful in his feverish manifestos regarding Illini sports.
Dude is caught in the downward spiral of addiction, such as drugs and alcohol and teenage tennis players
Well said.
Dom's a broken record. If the Illini beats a Power 5, it's either due to luck or officiating. He's like a 5-year old.
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The conversation seemed to be heavily centered on Kofi. So if you were talking about Andres Filez, “my bad?”
Feliz, Trent, etc.
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After his first several games, you could see Kofi would be a big contributor and the 2019-2020 team was a tourney team. Dom didn't think so.
If that’s the case, yeah. Didn’t take long to see Kofi was better than advertised as I recall. But I also never paid attention to Dom. I’d say he’s only really hit my radar since his awesome video post.
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Feliz, Trent, etc.
Again, the previous several posts were pretty specifically about Kofi. I’ve had zero complaints about Underwood’s recruiting and player development the last 2-3 years.
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For the record, I’m not bashing on Underwood here. I think he’s been about as good as we could realistically expect him to be. But the fact remains, the overwhelming majority of his success here was with two players. Kofi and Ayo. When they haven’t been around, the results have been mixed at best. He’s off to a weird start again this year, but I expect them to improve. I actually thought this team could contend for a national title a month ago. I hope they do.
“Our team isn’t as good when we don’t have the All Americans that our current coach recruited and developed”
No shit, Sherlock.
What a weird fucking argument.
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Underwood didn’t recruit Trent. Trent was already an established good player.
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He was a fringe top 100 player and played every minute of his college career for Underwood.
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Not sure sure how much of the development of Ayo I’d attribute to Underwood. He was a highly driven program changing recruit his senior year in HS. But let’s face it, outside of the two-three year run with Ayo and Kofi he’s been bad to mixed results.
I think he’ll be fine. But if you’re being objective, all of his success has come with those two players. Not sure I credit Underwood for making Kofi an All-American. I’m not trying to take anything away from Underwood. He’s been a very competent captain of the ship.
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He was a fringe top 100 player and played every minute of his college career for Underwood.
My bad. Thought he played one year for Groce. He still wouldn’t have been here if not for Groce. Lucked into him in a way.
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But it didn’t take long to see Trent was a player. I’m sure Underwood worked his magic to get him off to an impressive start as a frosh.
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This is why Custard is a coach shill. Giving him the credit for “developing” Ayo. Now that’s funny. Ayo was a self-driven program changing player from day 1. Might have been better at Duke. Who knows?
It’s perfectly acceptable to say Underwood has been a perfectly competent head coach who seems to have a knack for putting together staffs and teams that perform well. That’s not over or under selling it.
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Not sure sure how much of the development of Ayo I’d attribute to Underwood. He was a highly driven program changing recruit his senior year in HS. But let’s face it, outside of the two-three year run with Ayo and Kofi he’s been bad to mixed results.
I think he’ll be fine. But if you’re being objective, all of his success has come with those two players. Not sure I credit Underwood for making Kofi an All-American. I’m not trying to take anything away from Underwood. He’s been a very competent captain of the ship.
So, uh, who is responsible for getting those guys to play in an Illinois jersey?
That’s why this is such a weird argument.
“He did good with these guys but the jury is out on how he can do without them”
Well no shit, he specifically recruited them and then won with them. There’s no reason at all to think he can’t or won’t do the exact same thing again. It wasn’t luck, it was excellent program management and player development.
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This is why Custard is a coach shill. Giving him the credit for “developing” Ayo. Now that’s funny. Ayo was a self-driven program changing player from day 1. Might have been better at Duke. Who knows?
It’s perfectly acceptable to say Underwood has been a perfectly competent head coach who seems to have a knack for putting together staffs and teams that perform well. That’s not over or under selling it.
Ayo played 3 years at Illinois. It would be insanely idiotic to say there was no player development that took place, even without the instances Ayo himself has publicly credited his time at UI as having prepared him for the NBA.
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JFC. I have addressed this before but I’ll get sucked back in again. It’s one of the stupidest arguments I’ve ever seen put forth on any fan forum.
Who assembled the staff that brought this guy who had been playing basketball for a couple years to Champaign and coached him out of a deferential mindset and a bit of a butterball body into a chiseled two time All American?
Then, when Underachiever lost his entire staff, who replaced those guys with another staff that won another B1G title, and that pulled in a top 10 prep class, a top 3 transfer class, and has three top 15 KenPom wins with basically an entirely new team this year? Without Kofi?
Yeah there are growing pains after losing all the starters and 80 some percent of our scoring from last year. But then there’s IU who brought back the same team, added some young talent, was picked to win the B1G, and is now 2-4 in the league.
It’s one thing if you’re saying Weber inherited a bunch of talent and won with it then sucked after it was gone because he couldn’t recruit. Because that’s reality. Brad Underwood has performed at a pretty high level at every stop. He’s been stubborn at times and stuck with flawed philosophies for too long, but he has a very solid history of making adjustments and finishing seasons strong. Until the tourney at least. But even then he performed above expecatations with SFA in the tourney. Despite a lack of tourney success, Illinois basketball is in exponentially better shape than it was at any time from 2005-06 until Underwood got his own guys in here. To argue otherwise is sheer idiocy.
Kofi is one dude. He’s an Illini legend. He should have stayed for this year, he’d be getting paid, laid, and we’d be a top 5 team. But bagging on Underwood because he recruited and coached up a player that got us a lot of wins is one of the most idiotic takes I’ve ever seen in my time as an Illinois message board poster.
He GOT Kofi. He and two different staffs MADE Kofi. Attributing Underachiever’s success to Kofi is a de facto endorsement of Underachiever. It’s both sad and hilarious that it’s beyond your perception.
Underwood's teams SUCK when they don't have Kofi Cockburn on them. That includes this years team. Look at the Mizzou game. Look at the NW game. Look at Penn State. Look at Underwood's record at Illinois before Kofi arrived.
Underwood didn't build anything at SFA. They were great before he got there.
Underwood didn't build anything at Oklahoma State. He inherited an NBA PG and had a mediocre at best team in one season there.
Underwood wasn't building anything at Illinois until he got Kofi. Kofi built the success. Kofi's gone. Success is gone.
Underwood will N-E-V-E-R win another Big 10 Title. Ever. Period.
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Dainja reminds me of Oliver Miller with his length, hands, and ball skills. That was a different era. Dainja needs a better face up game. Miller got out of shape, ballooned to 380 lbs. Dainja needs to stay in shape.
Dom contradicts himself all the time. He thinks Dainja can't develop further because he is too old.
Harris is the same age, but he can develop because he is an NBA athlete.
Rodgers is two years younger, is a rugged NBA athlete, has better handles and passing skills than Harris, and can guard 1 - 5. Dom seems to think he can't possibly develop a jump shot.
Well dumbass, generally guys with athleticism have much higher upsides than guys that don't. Dainja is maxed out bc he's a poor athete and it's his 3rd year of college.
Rodgers is nowhere close to an NBA athlete. You clearly don't watch the NBA if you think he is. And what 5 is Rodgers going to guard? Hell what 4 can he even contest a 3 against?
Put Rodgers on Edey lets see what happens.
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Again, for the reading comprehension challenged people out there. Underwood has proven himself to be a very effective recruiter and program leader. I think the jury could still be out on his actual coaching chops. He’s adequate. Which if you know how to recruit and put together a program is good enough. Underwood is a very good overall college basketball coach. Probably in the Rick Barnes mold, and there’s nothing wrong with that at all.
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Underwood will N-E-V-E-R win another Big 10 Title. Ever. Period.
Wouldn’t go that far at all. He’s put himself behind the 8ball for this year with the bad start. Izzo is past his prime. There are no coaches in this league that make me fearful Underwood can’t compete at the highest level of the league most years.
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Will say that Painter has reached a level I never saw coming.
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Ayo played 3 years at Illinois. It would be insanely idiotic to say there was no player development that took place, even without the instances Ayo himself has publicly credited his time at UI as having prepared him for the NBA.
Never said “no development took place.” But Ayo was likely on his path from day 1. Took him 3 years to get to where he wanted to be year 1.
I also don’t credit Lou Henson for developing Nick Anderson.
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There’s no reason at all to think he can’t or won’t do the exact same thing again.
Yes there is.
Because Kofi Cockburn's are once in a generation type players. You can find plenty of wing players like Ayo or Shannon and still have the team suck. Underwood lost 21 games with Ayo playing lead guard. Underwood is on is way to losing 16+ games this year with Shannon as lead guard.
Kofi was the difference. That's it. There was nothing else.
Underwood has no coaching advantages here. He doesn't get more out of his talent.
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Yes there is.
Because Kofi Cockburn's are once in a generation type players. You can find plenty of wing players like Ayo or Shannon and still have the team suck. Underwood lost 21 games with Ayo playing lead guard. Underwood is on is way to losing 16+ games this year with Shannon as lead guard.
Kofi was the difference. That's it. There was nothing else.
Underwood has no coaching advantages here. He doesn't get more out of his talent.
I think there’s some middle ground here between you and Custard, but no one wants to hear that.
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I think there’s some middle ground here between you and Custard, but no one wants to hear that.
This year's team is the first 100% fully recruited Underwood team. Do you like the basketball being played on it? Does anyone? This is his handpicked roster running whatever it is he wants to run with "interchangeable" parts.
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A 16+ loss season means finishing 5-11. Dom better start praying for a season ending injury to Shannon.
The incessant troll owes the board another squeaky video if the 16+ loss season doesn't happen. He can whine about how Underwood was "lucky" to recruit Shannon and cry about "homer officiating."
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This year's team is the first 100% fully recruited Underwood team. Do you like the basketball being played on it? Does anyone? This is his handpicked roster running whatever it is he wants to run with "interchangeable" parts.
At times they’ve looked good. Not often enough though. I’ve generally been pretty happy with the way Underwood teams get better throughout the season (until tourney time). And that can probably be attributed to good coaching. I think this year is important to the narrative we’re discussing here. If Underwood flops with this team, it will be a big failure. I think the arrow is pointed up, but we’ve seen them poop the bed multiple times already this year.
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A 16+ loss season means finishing 5-11. Dom better start praying for a season ending injury to Shannon.
The incessant troll owes the board another squeaky video if the 16+ loss season doesn't happen. He can whine about how Underwood was "lucky" to recruit Shannon and cry about "homer officiating."
They were down by 35 points to Mizzou with Shannon. He can play every game. Illinois absolutely stinks even with him.
Here's 6 for sure road losses: (Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, Indiana, Ohio State, Purdue).
They'll lose at least 3 of these home games (Indiana, Ohio State, Rutgers, Michigan, Northwestern)
Then throw in a loss in the BTT.
And a closing loss in the NIT.
11 losses.
So you better hope they win tonight, or you're looking at potentially 12 losses.
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With the large roster turnover from last year, it's no surprise this year's team has really struggled at times.
I'm not an Underwood fan and don't see him recruiting enough talent to make a Sweet 16 run. The argument that he's terrible and his teams will be .500 teams is dumb though.
Underwood will likely continue producing tournament teams that get bounced early on by better coached programs.
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With the large roster turnover from last year, it's no surprise this year's team has really struggled at times.
I'm not an Underwood fan and don't see him recruiting enough talent to make a Sweet 16 run. The argument that he's terrible and his teams will be .500 teams is dumb though.
Underwood will likely continue producing tournament teams that get bounced early on by better coached programs.
Struggled at times would be one thing. Getting absolutely butt plugged by Mizzou and Penn State at home are another.
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Struggled at times would be one thing. Getting absolutely butt plugged by Mizzou and Penn State at home are another.
Both bad losses, but they beat 2 top 10 teams.
When last season ended, I didn't forsee this as a KenPom top 25 team.
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Both bad losses, but they beat 2 top 10 teams.
When last season ended, I didn't forsee this as a KenPom top 25 team.
We are in a new era. End of last season and beginning of the next can look totally different.
Once this roster was settled I expected top 12-15 with national title potential.
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We are in a new era. End of last season and beginning of the next can look totally different.
Once this roster was settled I expected top 12-15 with national title potential.
Once they got Shannon. I've expected a tournament team that will get bounced early, even though Underwood has two guys that are second pick NBA picks.
I can't see Underwood making a deep tourney run, unless he has a lot more talent.
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I'm not an Underwood fan and don't see him recruiting enough talent to make a Sweet 16 run.
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Put Rodgers on Edey lets see what happens.
Absurd argument since almost nobody in college can guard Edey. It'll be interesting to see what Uberwood does.
Overall, Rodgers has the body and length to check typical bigs. He also has the lateral agility to cover wings and guards.
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Dom wants us to look at the Missouri, PSU, and NU games when there was clearly something going on. Whatever it was, it appears to have been fixed. Mayer and Shannon both credit Underwood.
Dom also points to Clark's videos when he came back too soon for Monteverde and was not fully recovered. That makes as much sense as looking at pre-injury videos and claiming he has NBA athleticism.
It's called cherry picking.
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From what I read the team (idk if all of em) went out to celebrate Hawkins birthday the night before the Penn St game
So if that tells ya anything on why that game sucked
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Absurd argument since almost nobody in college can guard Edey. It'll be interesting to see what Uberwood does.
Overall, Rodgers has the body and length to check typical bigs. He also has the lateral agility to cover wings and guards.
A 5-year old can construct better arguments than Dom.
The teen girls Dom chases are too mature for him.
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Dom wants us to look at the Missouri, PSU, and NU games when there was clearly something going on. Whatever it was, it appears to have been fixed.
Nothing was going on. Illinois is just a bad team that’s poorly coached. They been that way the whole season.
They’ve played shit fucking teams since then:
Wisconsin sucks without their best player. They haven’t won a game without him.
Who gives 2 shits about Nebraska and Minnesota? Those are the worst teams in the conference.
MSU isn’t good either and it took a massive homer job to win that game, another where Illinois was losing big in the 2nd half. That basically followed the script of the rest of the games Illinois has played vs comparable competition: be behind big in the 2nd half and require a comeback to win (UCLA, Texas, Maryland, Penn State, Mizzou, Northwestern, Virginia)
When Illinois starts playing better than dog shit teams, they’ll lose bc they suck.
And Skyy Clark sucks bc Kentucky cut him loose after they saw he had no burst left, and then he shows up at Illinois shaped like a square and can’t guard anyone. Watch the games. It’s not hard
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Nothing was going on. Illinois is just a bad team that’s poorly coached. They been that way the whole season.
They’ve played shit fucking teams since then:
Wisconsin sucks without their best player. They haven’t won a game without him.
Who gives 2 shits about Nebraska and Minnesota? Those are the worst teams in the conference.
MSU isn’t good either and it took a massive homer job to win that game, another where Illinois was losing big in the 2nd half. That basically followed the script of the rest of the games Illinois has played vs comparable competition: be behind big in the 2nd half and require a comeback to win (UCLA, Texas, Maryland, Penn State, Mizzou, Northwestern, Virginia)
When Illinois starts playing better than dog shit teams, they’ll lose bc they suck.
And Skyy Clark sucks bc Kentucky cut him loose after they saw he had no burst left, and then he shows up at Illinois shaped like a square and can’t guard anyone. Watch the games. It’s not hard
The same Michigan State who literally lost by 1 to “your” Purdue team. If the refs ever call Edey for a foul they would’ve won the damn thing. Yeah they suck. You’re a fucking idiot who keeps moving goalposts every single time you’re wrong. It’s your shtick.
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You’re a fucking idiot who keeps moving goalposts every single time you’re wrong. It’s your shtick.
It is not just his schtick....and we should be used to it here.
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It is not just his schtick....and we should be used to it here.
Good point.
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From what I read the team (idk if all of em) went out to celebrate Hawkins birthday the night before the Penn St game
So if that tells ya anything on why that game sucked
Should have invited the psu players too... smh
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Nothing was going on. Illinois is just a bad team that’s poorly coached. They been that way the whole season.
They’ve played shit fucking teams since then:
Wisconsin sucks without their best player. They haven’t won a game without him.
Who gives 2 shits about Nebraska and Minnesota? Those are the worst teams in the conference.
MSU isn’t good either and it took a massive homer job to win that game, another where Illinois was losing big in the 2nd half. That basically followed the script of the rest of the games Illinois has played vs comparable competition: be behind big in the 2nd half and require a comeback to win (UCLA, Texas, Maryland, Penn State, Mizzou, Northwestern, Virginia)
When Illinois starts playing better than dog shit teams, they’ll lose bc they suck.
And Skyy Clark sucks bc Kentucky cut him loose after they saw he had no burst left, and then he shows up at Illinois shaped like a square and can’t guard anyone. Watch the games. It’s not hard
MSU was good enough to have a 9 point lead on us.
You talk about massive homer jobs yet conveniently leave out the string of calls MSU got after Izzo did his usual bitching and moaning to the refs. It was bad on both sides.
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This is just a sparty fans take on the game, fwiw. According to him, it was Izzoes game plan to forego passing and the three, in favor of attacking the basket and crashing the boards. Says it worked until BU adjusted.
https://www.theonlycolors.com/2023/1/14/23555383/how-did-illinois-beat-michigan-state
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This is just a sparty fans take on the game, fwiw. According to him, it was Izzoes game plan to forego passing and the three, in favor of attacking the basket and crashing the boards. Says it worked until BU adjusted.
https://www.theonlycolors.com/2023/1/14/23555383/how-did-illinois-beat-michigan-state
"Getting beat under the basket defensively ..."
"Further, for all the good MSU seemed to do in the first half defensively, they somehow let one of the worst teams in the country at possessing the ball turn the ball over only 5 times."
"Illinois paints a picture of an MSU team that can be exposed defensively ..."
Hmm. Lkdoogie told us MSU "guards hard." This fan seems to think otherwise, at least for this game.
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I think you need some new activities besides obsessing every second about me.
It really is pretty sad.
Seriously- get some professional help. SAMHSA's National HELPLINE: 1-800-662-HELP(4357)
(https://www.sumhlc.org/_resources/common/userfiles/image/national-helpline-banner.gif)
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So no response to how that person's take seems to be completely different than yours?
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So no response to how that person's take seems to be completely different than yours?
You and that random clueless poster you worked so hard to locate are apparently not aware that MSU is ranked 2nd in league play in defensive efficiency and 37th overall nationally.
Hope you didn't waste too much time poring over their butthurt postgame message boards doing that.
Maybe check your facts next time.
Yes, we found match ups to exploit down the stretch. Good teams try to make adjustments and it worked for us that night.
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You and that random clueless poster you worked so hard to locate are apparently not aware that MSU is ranked 2nd in league play in defensive efficiency and 37th overall nationally.
Hope you didn't waste too much time poring over their butthurt postgame message boards doing that.
Maybe check your facts next time.
Yes, we found match ups to exploit down the stretch. Good teams try to make adjustments and it worked for us that night.
Idiot:
I said that at KenPom (which posters here seem to love), Michigan St. was near the middle of the conference in AdjD. Checking today, they are at 6th in the Big Ten, which is still near the middle of a 14-team conference.
Maybe check your head to make sure it is not lodged in your anus before posting.
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Turnovers are way down without Clark and we should get some credit for throwing fewer bad passes vs MSU.
The last 4 are 10,11,5,11. The previous 4, with Clark, were 18,17,15,15.
If you want, you can toss in 17 vs Tx and 18 vs Bama A&M.
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Idiot:
I said that at KenPom (which posters here seem to love), Michigan St. was near the middle of the conference in AdjD. Checking today, they are at 6th in the Big Ten, which is still near the middle of a 14-team conference.
Maybe check your head to make sure it is not lodged in your anus before posting.
Maybe you can't read and interpret these complex stats fcktard.
Try again you dumb mthrfcker.
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Maybe you can't read and interpret these complex stats fcktard.
Try again you dumb mthrfcker.
Maybe we all, including myself here, should direct our venom at the dude who hasn't coached in the 2d weekend of the tourney since he has been here? Or not...
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Maybe you can't read and interpret these complex stats fcktard.
Try again you dumb mthrfcker.
Tell me you don't understand how to view the KenPom stats without telling me.
Again, you're a blowhard. You have NOTHING of value to offer in any way, shape, or form. Zero credibility. You probably sit alone at youth league games because everyone knows you'll bore them with stupid, meaningless commentary about how Johnny just needs to learn how to post up.
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Jeez guys
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Weird.
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Tell me you don't understand how to view the KenPom stats without telling me.
Again, you're a blowhard. You have NOTHING of value to offer in any way, shape, or form. Zero credibility. You probably sit alone at youth league games because everyone knows you'll bore them with stupid, meaningless commentary about how Johnny just needs to learn how to post up.
I can't help you. You simply can't comprehend the information, and insist on making yourself look increasingly stupid and unhinged.
I have tried to refer you to get professional help as you seriously have mental health issues. Good luck with your life.
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I can't blahblah
Is the popcorn good at the youth league games?
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Is the popcorn good at the youth league games?
Is there a reason you’re an asshole or what?!
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Is there a reason you’re an asshole or what?!
Yeah. People like you, Sub-Special Ed.
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Yeah. People like you, Sub-Special Ed.
You really are a fucking idiot. You come on here acting like you’re some sort of fucking genius or something putting people down and shit. When in all actuality YOU’RE the “low-thinker.” Maybe you and Dominic can go do a bunch or drugs together and stalk some coeds at his pad in the dorms. Grow the fuck up and quit being stupid.
Carry on, Rainman. There’s a 100% probability you’ll have some issue with this and respond I’m sure. I’ll put you on block, as to not hear/see your meltdown response. BUT my accurate 100% prediction IS certainly correct. Now go have your seizure trying to compute that information. Bitch!
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You really are a fucking idiot. You come on here acting like you’re some sort of fucking genius or something putting people down and shit. When in all actuality YOU’RE the “low-thinker.” Maybe you and Dominic can go do a bunch or drugs together and stalk some coeds at his pad in the dorms. Grow the fuck up and quit being stupid.
Carry on, Rainman. There’s a 100% probability you’ll have some issue with this and respond I’m sure. I’ll put you on block, as to not hear/see your meltdown response. BUT my accurate 100% prediction IS certainly correct. Now go have your seizure trying to compute that information. Bitch!
But I am certain that I know more than blithering morons who simply buy into some blowhard's BS because of a log-in name or some other nonsense.
It's basic counting to organize a list by order and then see where a team ranks within the conference. Basic. Counting. Which is why it's too hard for you to grasp.
So instead, you insult and rail. Which is fine, but you sound like the least clever 4-year-old on the block when you do this. And that's why you are Sub-Special Ed.
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Idiot:
I said that at KenPom (which posters here seem to love), Michigan St. was near the middle of the conference in AdjD. Checking today, they are at 6th in the Big Ten, which is still near the middle of a 14-team conference.
I don't follow those kind of stats, but I once had breakfast at a Holiday Inn Junior, and can google.
Northwestern 92.7 15
Purdue 93.3 18
Illinois 94.9 29
Michigan St. 35
https://kenpom.com/index.php?s=RankAdjDE
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And season stats go out the window at the opening tip.
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And season stats go out the window at the opening tip.
Everything is out the window this season.
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Everything is out the window this season.
After last night's relapse, it appears as tho the team still has no identity.
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I don't follow those kind of stats, but I once had breakfast at a Holiday Inn Junior, and can google.
Northwestern 92.7 15
Purdue 93.3 18
Illinois 94.9 29
Michigan St. 35
https://kenpom.com/index.php?s=RankAdjDE
This isn't rocket science except for IVMP.
In league play Purdue is 1st (96.3) , MSU is 2nd (96.4),Rutgers is 3rd (97.3), Michigan is 4th (99.3), Wisconsin is 5th (100.4)......
We have fallen to 7th (101.6) after last night's curb stomping.
I am out of here guys. It's a waste of time to try and navigate the forum with guys like Dominic the Pedophile and IVMP the Lunatic.
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I am out of here guys.
It's because you are a front running faggot. You run your mouth when Illinois is beating up trash teams, then flee like a little bitch when the losing starts.
Unlike you, I'm here every game. I don't pretend to miss games like Nichi does.
Illinois has 10 more losses coming up this season. Might as well enjoy them as much as I am going too.
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This isn't rocket science except for IVMP.
In league play Purdue is 1st (96.3) , MSU is 2nd (96.4),Rutgers is 3rd (97.3), Michigan is 4th (99.3), Wisconsin is 5th (100.4)......
We have fallen to 7th (101.6) after last night's curb stomping.
I am out of here guys. It's a waste of time to try and navigate the forum with guys like Dominic the Pedophile and IVMP the Lunatic.
Block the pricks.
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Block the pricks.
Don't think its possible to block. I only see "add to buddy" list
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Block the pricks.
Yep. There is an ignore list under account settings.
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I don't follow those kind of stats, but I once had breakfast at a Holiday Inn Junior, and can google.
Northwestern 92.7 15
Purdue 93.3 18
Illinois 94.9 29
Michigan St. 35
https://kenpom.com/index.php?s=RankAdjDE
Tip 1 for Dimwits: You left out Wisconsin, which is above Michigan St. Only Nebraska dropped below MSU because ...
Tip 2 for Dimwits: My post was from before last night's games. I know this might be hard for you to grasp, but those numbers do change after some games are played.
This isn't that hard, except when you and others bend yourselves into pretzels trying to come up with gotchas. You just end up embarrassing yourselves.
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Why in the blue fuck would anyone have a problem with Lkdog? Dude is a great poster.
Oh well. Eventually, this board will be filled with nothing but absolute pieces of shit.
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This isn't rocket science except for IVMP.
In league play Purdue is 1st (96.3) , MSU is 2nd (96.4),Rutgers is 3rd (97.3), Michigan is 4th (99.3), Wisconsin is 5th (100.4)......
We have fallen to 7th (101.6) after last night's curb stomping.
I am out of here guys. It's a waste of time to try and navigate the forum with guys like Dominic the Pedophile and IVMP the Lunatic.
Those aren't the AdjD numbers at KenPom, asshat.
When you leave, the intelligence level will skyrocket. Your cronies will whine and moan again, though.
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Why in the blue fuck would anyone have a problem with Lkdog? Dude is a great poster.
Oh well. Eventually, this board will be filled with nothing but absolute pieces of shit.
If you go back through the recent history, I had a dialogue with him even a week ago. Then one of his cronies whined, and he became impossible.
There was one post that wasn't even in response to him, and he lost his cookies.
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It’s finally here. The Lord of the Flies moment.
Please use the ignore feature instead of fighting and name calling and sending me PMs about who did what. Or I will start cleaning house. This is just stupid.
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If you go back through the recent history, I had a dialogue with him even a week ago. Then one of his cronies whined, and he became impossible.
There was one post that wasn't even in response to him, and he lost his cookies.
I honestly didn't know he had "cronies."
Whatever. Anyway, carry on.
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Leave the hate posts to Tempo and me.
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It’s finally here. The Lord of the Flies moment.
Please use the ignore feature instead of fighting and name calling and sending me PMs about who did what. Or I will start cleaning house. This is just stupid.
Hard to get the toothpaste back in the tube. Or the shit pushed back into the asshole.
This has been building up for a long time. It's not like there are problems all of a sudden.
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It’s finally here. The Lord of the Flies moment.
Who is Piggy?
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Leave the hate posts to Tempo and me.
This is a good policy.
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Tip 1 for Dimwits: You left out Wisconsin, which is above Michigan St. Only Nebraska dropped below MSU because ...
Tip 2 for Dimwits: My post was from before last night's games. I know this might be hard for you to grasp, but those numbers do change after some games are played.
This isn't that hard, except when you and others bend yourselves into pretzels trying to come up with gotchas. You just end up embarrassing yourselves.
I overlooked Wisconsin. Thanks for pointing that out. Yes, obviously those are adjusted after games are played.
I am not interested in pissing matches with skunks. You guys win those by default.
As I noted, I don't normally pay one iota of attention to those sort of stats. The exchange made me curious, so I googled.
Now, from what I can gather, LK was looking at Big Ten conference games only. I looked at all games, but I overlooked Wisconsin. Googling has so far failed to locate B1G only and my hands are cramping.
Maybe if I had eaten breakfast at an actual Holiday Inn Express, I could find it.
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I honestly didn't know he had "cronies."
Whatever. Anyway, carry on.
It really isn't that hard to see. I was going to use a different term, but probably best to avoid it.
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It really isn't that hard to see. I was going to use a different term, but probably best to avoid it.
Are you Dom's crony? Just curious.
I have disagreed with nearly everyone here on something and managed to do so most of the time without calling them names.
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Are you Dom's crony? Just curious.
I have disagreed with nearly everyone here on something and managed to do so most of the time without calling them names.
You just posted:
"I am not interested in pissing matches with skunks. You guys win those by default."
You can't even remember your own posts.
However, I would agree that getting away from the name-calling would be good.
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You just posted:
"I am not interested in pissing matches with skunks. You guys win those by default."
You can't even remember your own posts.
However, I would agree that getting away from the name-calling would be good.
Perhaps you overlooked this:
"I have disagreed with nearly everyone here on something and managed to do so most of the time without calling them names."
That's okay. Overlooking things happens to everyone.
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Perhaps you overlooked this:
"I have disagreed with nearly everyone here on something and managed to do so most of the time without calling them names."
That's okay. Overlooking things happens to everyone.
Impressive that you can refrain "most of the time!"
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https://youtu.be/Ax_q6vp5FqU
Who is fighting and what for?
Dadgumit. Won't link directly to the 1 hour 17 min 30 sec mark. Bogus.
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You don't even have to use the "ignore" button.
We're all free to just ignore.
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Impressive that you can refrain "most of the time!"
There is an old quotation that has been attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt among others. Something like; "Superior minds discuss ideas, average minds talk about events, and poor minds gossip about people."
I should not have implied anyone is a skunk. That is not fair to skunks.
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There is an old quotation that has been attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt among others. Something like; "Superior minds discuss ideas, average minds talk about events, and poor minds gossip about people."
I should not have implied anyone is a skunk. That is not fair to skunks.
Good thing she did not get mouth cancer...
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/11/18/great-minds/
Quote Investigator: The earliest strong match known to QI appeared in a 1901 autobiography by Charles Stewart...
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Yep. There is an ignore list under account settings.
I’ve looked multiple times and have never seen it.
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There is an old quotation that has been attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt among others. Something like; "Superior minds discuss ideas, average minds talk about events, and poor minds gossip about people."
I should not have implied anyone is a skunk. That is not fair to skunks.
Maybe someday you will climb to the "poor minds" level.
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I’ve looked multiple times and have never seen it.
You don't have "Buddies/Ignore List" under modify profile?
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You don't have "Buddies/Ignore List" under modify profile?
Fuck yes, he does. Just like everyone else.
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Fuck yes, he does. Just like everyone else.
Maybe he's looking at the Uber app?
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You don't have "Buddies/Ignore List" under modify profile?
There has to be a list to modify. Under members on my phone, I can add buddies. I see no option to ignore.
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There has to be a list to modify. Under members on my phone, I can add buddies. I see no option to ignore.
I see it both in Safari and Chrome.
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Weird, I see it now. Not sure how I missed it. I’ve rummaged around a few times and couldn’t find it.
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(https://i.ibb.co/Vj9b0zc/Screenshot-20230120-171625-2.png) (https://ibb.co/DVWmPvH)
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I see what you're seeing now. Try it on a laptop.
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Are you Dom's crony? Just curious.
I have disagreed with nearly everyone here on something and managed to do so most of the time without calling them names.
You use the term “wing nuts” in every political post you make.
So just stop.
I personally enjoy using the term faggot just to trigger sparky
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I see it both in Safari and Chrome.
I’m using safari and only see add to buddy. Don’t see ignore
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You use the term “wing nuts” in every political post you make.
So just stop.
I personally enjoy using the term faggot just to trigger sparky
I also use the term moonbats. I have seldom if ever specifically called anyone here a wingnut or a moonbat. However, if either shoe fits, feel free to wear it.
Wingnut and moonbat are general terms for what were once strictly lunatic fringe political positions, but increasingly seem like the mainstream.
Moonbats censor pronouns; wingnuts censor Steinbeck.
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Tip 2 for Dimwits: My post was from before last night's games. I know this might be hard for you to grasp, but those numbers do change after some games are played.
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No snit Sherlock? You mean the stats are based on results from games played. Who knew?
I don't follow kenpom. I googled, found what I linked.
Evidently, LK was looking a different numbers, based on Big Ten games only?
I am not sure how to get those. That might require a subscription. It is hard to see stuff on this phone though. I might check on my computer if I get time.
Again, I don't follow kenpom and don't care. I was just curious why you and LK seemed to be looking at different numbers. I think I figured it out. Conference only versus the full season.
You would get along better with others if you did not tell them what they think.
But I get it. The straw man hominem is part of your Schtick to trigger others.
Namaste
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No snit Sherlock? You mean the stats are based on results from games played. Who knew?
I don't follow kenpom. I googled, found what I linked.
Evidently, LK was looking a different numbers, based on Big Ten games only?
I am not sure how to get those. That might require a subscription. It is hard to see stuff on this phone though. I might check on my computer if I get time.
Again, I don't follow kenpom and don't care. I was just curious why you and LK seemed to be looking at different numbers. I think I figured it out. Conference only versus the full season.
You would get along better with others if you did not tell them what they think.
But I get it. The straw man hominem is part of your Schtick to trigger others.
Namaste
This is rich, considering you and others do this daily.
But to summarize: You found something, made an erroneous conclusion, then ran with it to be a sycophant. Which seems to be your M.O.
See also: Posters who are a big part of the problem and who are given a pass.
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I’m using safari and only see add to buddy. Don’t see ignore
Who’s on your buddy list?
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Apples to oranges stats and guys who can't figure out the website they are on. This has turned into a classic thread.
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Apples to oranges stats and guys who can't figure out the website they are on. This has turned into a classic thread.
Keep in mind that stats are updated after each game is played. That is something the average fan often overlooks.
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Keep in mind that stats are updated after each game is played. That is something the average fan often overlooks.
Of course. And some stats are even updated during the game.
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Apples to oranges stats and guys who can't figure out the website they are on. This has turned into a classic thread.
I tried to get conference only stats. I got this:
The page you are requesting is available to subscribers only.
Purchase a 12-month subscription for $21.95
Now that ain't bad, but I haven't been looking to add more expenses.
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Of course. And some stats are even updated during the game.
Just in case, I was being ironic. Another poster here somehow felt a need to point out that stats aren't static.
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Just in case, I was being ironic. Another poster here somehow felt a need to point out that stats aren't static.
I pointed that out because you were having a hard time with it, or even quoting the stats you were using accurately.