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Other NFL teams/games 2023

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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2023
« Reply #1470 on: December 10, 2023, 05:22:12 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 10, 2023, 05:19:54 PM
He went out and is in concussion protocol actually.

Hahahaha, even better
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« Reply #1471 on: December 10, 2023, 05:24:29 PM »
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« Reply #1472 on: December 10, 2023, 05:25:58 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 05:21:12 PM
Hey Spark, how would you rate the Bears’ offensive talent/coaching 1-32? Not counting the quarterback. Serious question, no trolling.

Not nearly knowledgable enough about other rosters to make that call.  Their playcalling on offense hasn’t been very good.  Defense obviously looks a lot better.

All last offseason everyone was talking about how great their moves were and the obvious talent improvement - I even saw it called “historic” a couple times - so my guess is their talent isn’t near the bottom of the league.  I’m confident it’s not near the top.  Probably close to average talent, but that’s just a guess.

They’ve made big investments in their WR room and OL, and now DL.

I certainly don’t think those things are all bad enough to completely absolve Fields from blame for his own play.
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« Reply #1473 on: December 10, 2023, 05:27:34 PM »
Still had 23 passes. One would think he could throw for a hundred yards…
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« Reply #1474 on: December 10, 2023, 05:28:06 PM »
Fields threw 22 against KC for 99.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1475 on: December 10, 2023, 05:28:37 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 05:27:34 PM
Still had 23 passes. One would think he could throw for a hundred yards…

Yep, looks like it was a bad game from Stroud.

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« Reply #1476 on: December 10, 2023, 05:28:53 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 05:27:34 PM
Still had 23 passes. One would think he could throw for a hundred yards…

Who’s the better passer, Fields or Stroud?
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« Reply #1477 on: December 10, 2023, 05:29:02 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 05:28:06 PM
Fields threw 22 against KC for 99.

But that wasn’t his fault - his own personal performance was the fault of everyone with a C on their helmet, no?
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« Reply #1478 on: December 10, 2023, 05:32:30 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 05:25:58 PM
Not nearly knowledgable enough about other rosters to make that call.  Their playcalling on offense hasn’t been very good.  Defense obviously looks a lot better.

All last offseason everyone was talking about how great their moves were and the obvious talent improvement - I even saw it called “historic” a couple times - so my guess is their talent isn’t near the bottom of the league.  I’m confident it’s not near the top.  Probably close to average talent, but that’s just a guess.

They’ve made big investments in their WR room and OL, and now DL.

I certainly don’t think those things are all bad enough to completely absolve Fields from blame for his own play.

Obviously, I would disagree with your last sentence. I’m sure I make too many excuses for Fields, but I’m also sure that’s in response to the people here who literally blame him for everything wrong with the Bears. Even last year. Were you here when PAMan blamed Fields for St. Brown dropping a perfectly thrown ball on 4th down to end the game?

IMO the Bears are probably in the 25 range as far as offensive talent. And I know it’s just “an excuse,” it’s a unit that hasn’t had much of a chance to build cohesiveness until recently. Yes, the first few games were horrible but that was on everyone. Not just Fields.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2023
« Reply #1479 on: December 10, 2023, 05:33:46 PM »
He didn't expect the ball to be thrown accurately.
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« Reply #1480 on: December 10, 2023, 05:37:55 PM »
And again, it’s reaching into the bag o excuses, but I really feel like Getsy is a big part of the problem.
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« Reply #1481 on: December 10, 2023, 05:38:17 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 10, 2023, 05:33:46 PM
He didn't expect the ball to be thrown accurately.

Lol exactly!
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« Reply #1482 on: December 10, 2023, 05:42:26 PM »
Since you brought up Stroud, here are all of the games Stroud and Fields, combined, have finished with a passer rating over 100:

Stroud 147.8 2023 Week 8
Fields 132.7 2023 Week 4
Fields 125.3 2023 Week 5
Fields 120 2022 Week 8
Fields 119.5 2022 Week 15
Stroud 118.7 2023 Week 3
Fields 118.7 2022 Week 5
Stroud 116.0 2023 Week 11
Stroud 111.2 2023 Week 4
Fields 106.7 2022 Week 9
Stroud 106.1 2023 Week 13
Fields 105.2 2023 Week 11
Stroud 103.5 2023 Week 2

6 times in 12 starts for Stroud.  7 times in 35 starts for Fields.

And here's all the times their passer ratings have been below 80:

Fields 78.2 2023 Week 1
Stroud 78.0 2023 Week 1
Fields 76.7 2022 Week 4
Fields 75.7 2022 Week 13
Fields 75.2 2021 Week 6
Fields 71.5 2022 Week 6
Fields 70.8 2021 Week 14
Fields 62.3 2021 Week 11*
Fields 61.1 2023 Week 2
Fields 58.7 2023 Week 3
Stroud 54.8 2023 Week 13 (today)*
Fields 44.3 2021 Week 7
Fields 43.8 2022 Week 2
Fields 41.2 2021 Week 3
Fields 40.8 2022 Week 17
Fields 36.7 2023 Week 6*
Fields 27.7 2022 Week 3

* indicates he got hurt and didn't finish the game.

2 times in 12 starts for Stroud, 16 times in 35 starts for Fields.
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« Reply #1483 on: December 10, 2023, 05:43:46 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 05:32:30 PM
Obviously, I would disagree with your last sentence. I’m sure I make too many excuses for Fields, but I’m also sure that’s in response to the people here who literally blame him for everything wrong with the Bears. Even last year. Were you here when PAMan blamed Fields for St. Brown dropping a perfectly thrown ball on 4th down to end the game?

IMO the Bears are probably in the 25 range as far as offensive talent. And I know it’s just “an excuse,” it’s a unit that hasn’t had much of a chance to build cohesiveness until recently. Yes, the first few games were horrible but that was on everyone. Not just Fields.

I appreciate you being honest, I guess, but saying you disagree with the take that the roster/playcalling hasn't been bad enough to "absolve Fields from blame for his own play" is pretty scary to consider.  I thought that was kind of a no brainer, but apparently Fields isn't even accountable for his own play.
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« Reply #1484 on: December 10, 2023, 05:50:39 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 05:42:26 PM
Since you brought up Stroud, here are all of the games Stroud and Fields, combined, have finished with a passer rating over 100:

Stroud 147.8 2023 Week 8
Fields 132.7 2023 Week 4
Fields 125.3 2023 Week 5
Fields 120 2022 Week 8
Fields 119.5 2022 Week 15
Stroud 118.7 2023 Week 3
Fields 118.7 2022 Week 5
Stroud 116.0 2023 Week 11
Stroud 111.2 2023 Week 4
Fields 106.7 2022 Week 9
Stroud 106.1 2023 Week 13
Fields 105.2 2023 Week 11
Stroud 103.5 2023 Week 2

6 times in 12 starts for Stroud.  7 times in 35 starts for Fields.

And here's all the times their passer ratings have been below 80:

Fields 78.2 2023 Week 1
Stroud 78.0 2023 Week 1
Fields 76.7 2022 Week 4
Fields 75.7 2022 Week 13
Fields 75.2 2021 Week 6
Fields 71.5 2022 Week 6
Fields 70.8 2021 Week 14
Fields 62.3 2021 Week 11*
Fields 61.1 2023 Week 2
Fields 58.7 2023 Week 3
Stroud 54.8 2023 Week 13 (today)*
Fields 44.3 2021 Week 7
Fields 43.8 2022 Week 2
Fields 41.2 2021 Week 3
Fields 40.8 2022 Week 17
Fields 36.7 2023 Week 6*
Fields 27.7 2022 Week 3

* indicates he got hurt and didn't finish the game.

2 times in 12 starts for Stroud, 16 times in 35 starts for Fields.

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