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2023 2.0 Portal Thread

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2023, 12:14:50 AM »
Quote from: FaninCa on April 21, 2023, 09:22:12 PM
According to Rostercast, Illinois is currently ranked 40th.  Add Guerrier and they're ranked 46th.

Squeaky will love the addition.


https://barttorvik.com/rostercast.php?run=1&team=Illinois&player=Quincy%20Guerrier%3BOregon

Torvick overrates transfers.  Again last year they started 14th after losing Kofi and finished 50th
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2023, 02:35:29 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 22, 2023, 12:14:50 AM
Torvick overrates transfers.  Again last year they started 14th after losing Kofi and finished 50th

Just shows the Underwood effect.  The team had the talent, but lacked coaching.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2023, 03:11:55 PM »
According to rumors, Guerrier to commit soon to Illinois even though WVA wants him to visit, and the belief is he would play starter minutes no matter who comes back or leaves.
Also Indy Illini is now claiming he actually talks directly to Underwood so there is that. LOL. A veteran PG is allegedly in the works, and they want a Big.

I think we have a lot of things to figure out the next few weeks.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2023, 03:15:10 PM by Lkdog »
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2023, 03:20:49 PM »
Still waiting for that unicorn PG who will get this team to Sat/Sun in The Tourney.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2023, 03:55:02 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 22, 2023, 03:20:49 PM
Still waiting for that unicorn PG who will get this team to Sat/Sun in The Tourney.

No question you have to have a playmaking lead guard to win games in the tourney.
Who knows what we get, but I am sure they will bring in someone. The only PG on roster is the Italian kid.   
No way you can have Harris or Rodgers in that role.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2023, 04:20:37 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on April 22, 2023, 03:55:02 PM
No question you have to have a playmaking lead guard to win games in the tourney.
Who knows what we get, but I am sure they will bring in someone. The only PG on roster is the Italian kid.   
No way you can have Harris or Rodgers in that role.

Whoever it is, Indy already knows. 
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2023, 04:30:19 PM »
Quote from: FaninCa on April 22, 2023, 02:35:29 PM
Just shows the Underwood effect.  The team had the talent, but lacked coaching.

The team had talent on paper. They never quite fit together on the court for a number of reasons. 
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2023, 04:36:07 PM »
The Gibbs-Lawhorn kid is probably a point guard long term, but he won't be ready to play man defense in the fall. He needs time with Adam Fletcher and reportedly knows that.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2023, 04:37:45 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 22, 2023, 03:20:49 PM
Still waiting for that unicorn PG who will get this team to Sat/Sun in The Tourney.

Someone that declared for the draft but has not entered the portal.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2023, 11:06:05 AM »
Over 1,000 announced in portal with over 250 committed already.

We have out of the Top rated ones so far, (top 50), 11 are still undecided on colleges, none of the 11 I believe have us recruiting them persay, and none have crystal ball/percentages that show interest in our ILLINI. Out of the 11, 2 C, 2 PG, 1 PF, and the rest SF/SG.

I am starting to wonder if being ranked at (94) currently as far as ranking of portal recruits with HS recruits are starting to show that possibly recruits are either talking about the ILLINI culture, coaching, etc. and making decisions to not attend and play for the ILLINI?

I do realize that we are looking for a specific need PG/C and also holding out for Hawk and TSJ, but no interest indicated even with this point?

I mean we did land arguably the top 1-3 transfer class last year, it didn't bode especially well, as most would agree and actually witnessed on TV as far as cohesiveness.....could this be what is impacting our lack of (star) recruits this year?
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2023, 11:30:51 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 22, 2023, 03:20:49 PM
Still waiting for that unicorn PG who will get this team to Sat/Sun in The Tourney.

There were like, a dozen lead guards from small schools that transferred and led their teams past the first round of the tournament.

My guess is if we'd gotten any single one of them, you'd have hated on it.

Not really a way to know until it happens or doesn't.   When Kansas State got a 5'7" guard who had shot 34% from the floor and 36% from three with 6 assists and 4 turnovers per game his last year at Arkansas-Little Rock, nobody here was like "he's going to lead them to the Elite 8!"
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2023, 11:42:22 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 24, 2023, 11:30:51 AM
There were like, a dozen lead guards from small schools that transferred and led their teams past the first round of the tournament.

My guess is if we'd gotten any single one of them, you'd have hated on it.

Not really a way to know until it happens or doesn't.   When Kansas State got a 5'7" guard who had shot 34% from the floor and 36% from three with 6 assists and 4 turnovers per game his last year at Arkansas-Little Rock, nobody here was like "he's going to lead them to the Elite 8!"

I doubt I would know who they are/were to even hate on them. Yet, I somehow won the bracket challenge here despite picking the Illini to win it all. So I have that going for me.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2023, 12:30:27 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 24, 2023, 11:30:51 AM


Not really a way to know until it happens or doesn't.   When Kansas State got a 5'7" guard who had shot 34% from the floor and 36% from three with 6 assists and 4 turnovers per game his last year at Arkansas-Little Rock, nobody here was like "he's going to lead them to the Elite 8!"

That’s called an “anomaly”.

And that’s also called new coaching.   Counting on the former is foolish, and there’s no new coach here either.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2023, 12:44:01 PM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on April 24, 2023, 11:06:05 AM
Over 1,000 announced in portal with over 250 committed already.

We have out of the Top rated ones so far, (top 50), 11 are still undecided on colleges, none of the 11 I believe have us recruiting them persay, and none have crystal ball/percentages that show interest in our ILLINI. Out of the 11, 2 C, 2 PG, 1 PF, and the rest SF/SG.

I am starting to wonder if being ranked at (94) currently as far as ranking of portal recruits with HS recruits are starting to show that possibly recruits are either talking about the ILLINI culture, coaching, etc. and making decisions to not attend and play for the ILLINI?

I do realize that we are looking for a specific need PG/C and also holding out for Hawk and TSJ, but no interest indicated even with this point?

I mean we did land arguably the top 1-3 transfer class last year, it didn't bode especially well, as most would agree and actually witnessed on TV as far as cohesiveness.....could this be what is impacting our lack of (star) recruits this year?

Couple things.

#1.  Recruits don’t want to play for Underwood. See how many have left early in their careers. Def reputation could precede Underwood here.

#2.  Shannon would have been at Michigan if they had admitted him.  Illinois wasn’t his first choice.  Generally coveted portal players are going to go to their first choice otherwise they’d stay at their prior schools.

#3.  Antigua and Chin are better recruiters than Frazier/Anderson. 

It seems the only argument IL fans are trying to tell themselves is “we have a lot of NIL dollars”.  That may or may not be true.  But other schools have that as well.

I think Illinois is also hurt that the in-state talent is very low compared to prior years.  Look what Peoria used to produce. Chicago has far fewer impact players. It’s hard not to be bearish on a mediocre coach trying to gather in talent in a depleted talent state.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2023, 01:07:31 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 24, 2023, 11:42:22 AM
I doubt I would know who they are/were to even hate on them. Yet, I somehow won the bracket challenge here despite picking the Illini to win it all. So I have that going for me.

That's my point.

If we got a guard from a lower-level who could lead us deep in the tourney, you wouldn't even know it.  So probably not worth worrying about.
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