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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #1155 on: July 14, 2023, 03:31:49 PM »
If someone offered you a lottery ticket for 1 millions bucks and said there’s a 1% chance you win. Would you refuse the ticket because “there’s no chance?”
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« Reply #1156 on: July 14, 2023, 03:31:58 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 03:30:26 PM
1 isn’t greater than zero? Is that what you’re saying?

I'm saying that a 1% chance is greater than a 0% chance, yes.  As is a 0.01% chance.

Do I need to explain that further?  Seems like you're struggling with the "a 0% chance means something different than a non-0% chance" thing.
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« Reply #1157 on: July 14, 2023, 03:32:45 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 03:31:49 PM
If someone offered you a lottery ticket for 1 millions bucks and said there’s a 1% chance you win. Would you refuse the ticket because “there’s no chance?”

Nope.

Did you think that was a good analogy?  It absolutely wasn't.

If someone offered you one lottery ticket with a 1% chance to win and another with a 0% chance to win, do they have the same odds?  Or is 1% different than 0%?

If I said about one event, this happens about 1 time out of 100, and another event, this has never and could never happen - do the events have the same odds of occurring?  Or is one far more likely?

As a reminder, it's YOU, not me, that's insisting that me saying "there's a non-zero chance but it's so unlikely that it isn't worth spending time on" is the same as me saying, in your words over and over, "ZERO PERCENT CHANCE".  I've been exceedingly clear that I don't think it's a zero.  I definitely don't think it's 1/50 or 1/100 though.  I think it's much, much closer to the odds that Coach K comes back to coach us than you want to admit - both are non-zero, but so unlikely that they aren't really worth discussing much.
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« Reply #1158 on: July 14, 2023, 03:38:23 PM »
The notion that a coach is completely devoid of humility or sentimentality because he now coaches at a blue blood is just totally bizarre to me. I think there are a few coaches who might fit that mold, but Self isn’t one of them.
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« Reply #1159 on: July 14, 2023, 03:42:04 PM »
Ok, we're on page 78. If you fuckers don't make it to page 90 with this bullshit, I'm gonna be real disappointed.

Sadly, I have nothing going on tonight. Make it happen.
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« Reply #1160 on: July 14, 2023, 03:43:45 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 03:38:23 PM
The notion that a coach is completely devoid of humility or sentimentality because he now coaches at a blue blood is just totally bizarre to me. I think there are a few coaches who might fit that mold, but Self isn’t one of them.

Yes Tempo but surely you realize that the notion that "a coach is completely devoid of humility or sentimentality" is something YOU said and notably not something I said.  I haven't said anything even remotely approaching that, and you have claimed I believe that like 5 times now.
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« Reply #1161 on: July 14, 2023, 03:44:12 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 03:31:05 PM
Are 0% and 1% the same?

The chances Self agrees to come back here are almost surely between those two numbers.  Quite a bit closer to 0% than 1% is smart money.

I have never said one single word about Self's humility or lack thereof, never met the guy.  You made that talking point up completely out of thin air.  Like you have most of your talking points today, and for the last decade.

Your ironclad conclusion that “he would laugh at us” is a firm implication you think he lacks humility. Is that not a reasonable assumption?
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« Reply #1162 on: July 14, 2023, 03:44:38 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 03:20:04 PM
Question for Spark. Do you think Self would be “flattered” if UNC reached out to him?

I’d love to get an answer to this one.
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« Reply #1163 on: July 14, 2023, 03:45:07 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 03:43:45 PM
Yes Tempo but surely you realize that the notion that "a coach is completely devoid of humility or sentimentality" is something YOU said and notably not something I said.  I haven't said anything even remotely approaching that, and you have claimed I believe that like 5 times now.

“Self would laugh at us.”
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« Reply #1164 on: July 14, 2023, 03:46:07 PM »
He’d be “super flattered.”
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« Reply #1165 on: July 14, 2023, 03:46:14 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 03:44:38 PM
I’d love to get an answer to this one.

If UNC was open, I doubt Self would be remotely surprised or care all that much one way or the other that they were interested in him.  He's maybe THE top coach in the country, everybody would love to have him if they have an opening.  Not like it'd be some heartwarming surprise that a blue blood (or in our case, just a good program he left a couple decades ago) would be interested in him coaching there.

This is another post, though, that if I said anything remotely similar you would be like "SPARK THINKS UNC AND ILLINOIS ARE SIMILAR" for a decade no matter how many times I pointed out that no, I didn't say anything even close to that.
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« Reply #1166 on: July 14, 2023, 03:46:54 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 03:45:07 PM
“Self would laugh at us.”

I mean, yes, almost certainly he'd get a chuckle out of the idea.

You projected the rest of the made up nonsense you attributed to me.

Just TRY, once, to argue using only the things I actually said, and not the wild extrapolations you so consistently attribute to me falsely.  Just once.

Like, when I use a direct quote from you you accuse me of "lacking nuance", but when I clarify my point a dozen times you still repeat it falsely for years based on what you wished I'd said, and totally ignoring what I actually said.
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« Reply #1167 on: July 14, 2023, 04:07:55 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 03:46:54 PM
I mean, yes, almost certainly he'd get a chuckle out of the idea.

You projected the rest of the made up nonsense you attributed to me.

Just TRY, once, to argue using only the things I actually said, and not the wild extrapolations you so consistently attribute to me falsely.  Just once.

Like, when I use a direct quote from you you accuse me of "lacking nuance", but when I clarify my point a dozen times you still repeat it falsely for years based on what you wished I'd said, and totally ignoring what I actually said.

Yes, just as I/we got a chuckle out of when that little girl gave me her beloved bag of bubble gum. But it was still a gesture that made me feel good. Because, you know, I’m fucking human and not only concerned with my status among my peers.
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« Reply #1168 on: July 14, 2023, 04:09:07 PM »
So it appears that you’re not saying “zero percent,” but “1% is way too high!” Does 1/3 of 1% sound less laughable?
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« Reply #1169 on: July 14, 2023, 04:09:57 PM »
The things you said were “he would laugh at us. No chance.”
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