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Re: Sven's team comes visiting
« Reply #165 on: March 08, 2023, 02:14:14 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 08, 2023, 02:06:15 PM
Then he mostly stopped making the tournament.

He didn't make the sweet 16 from 2005-2006 through 2010-2011, and was still employed in 2011-2012.

He was fine missing six straight S16's, but was fired for missing three of five tournaments.

The fans still expected him to make those Sweet Sixteens. Alas, the AD holds the controls.

Also, as mentioned above, he wasn't getting axed 2-3 seasons after making the final game.

And I am quite sure the decision to pull the plug in 2012 was made LONG before the NCAA tournament field was announced.
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Re: Sven's team comes visiting
« Reply #166 on: March 08, 2023, 02:28:26 PM »
Quote from: IVMP on March 08, 2023, 02:10:41 PM
That doesn't change what the fans expected. Our memories of the old board seem to differ.

Short of pictures of him with farm animals, he wasn't getting fired 2-3 years after getting to the NCAA finals, regardless of what players he inherited.

Is that your point?

That some fucking moron Illini fans screeched about a S16 every year 20 years ago?

Of course they do, some of our fans are stupid as fuck.

Those people having stupid and unrealistic expectations for our program doesn't change the reality.

We have never been an annual S16 team for longer than a 5 year stretch, ever, over a century plus.  Nor has Illinois ever fired a coach who made the tournament annually but hadn't been past the second round.  They have fired two coaches, both for missing the tournament consistently.

The S16 thing is just a reason to whine.  If we make it this year they'll move the goalposts, because they're fucking morons.
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Re: Sven's team comes visiting
« Reply #167 on: March 08, 2023, 02:32:04 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 08, 2023, 02:28:26 PM
Of course they do, some of our fans are stupid as fuck.

Isn't this Bored, Scorat Bored, Loyalty Bored living proof of this?  I cannot even imagine what "Illini The Twitter" looks like.
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« Reply #168 on: March 08, 2023, 02:34:14 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 08, 2023, 02:32:04 PM
Isn't this Bored, Scorat Bored, Loyalty Bored living proof of this?  I cannot even imagine what "Illini The Twitter" looks like.

Scout board has a whole lot more intelligent and reasonable discussion than I've ever seen out of this place these days.

Also a lot of idiots, for sure, but this place is a fucking nightmare.
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Re: Sven's team comes visiting
« Reply #169 on: March 08, 2023, 02:34:37 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 08, 2023, 02:32:04 PM
Isn't this Bored, Scorat Bored, Loyalty Bored living proof of this?  I cannot even imagine what "Illini The Twitter" looks like.

You should see what some of the dipshits write on FB.
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Re: Sven's team comes visiting
« Reply #170 on: March 08, 2023, 02:37:31 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 08, 2023, 02:34:14 PM
Scout board has a whole lot more intelligent and reasonable discussion than I've ever seen out of this place these days.

So they know over there that JFC has problems reading defenses?
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Re: Sven's team comes visiting
« Reply #171 on: March 08, 2023, 02:37:58 PM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on March 08, 2023, 02:34:37 PM
You should see what some of the dipshits write on FB.

I did not even contemplate FB in the equation.
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« Reply #172 on: March 08, 2023, 02:38:07 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 08, 2023, 02:28:26 PM
Is that your point?

That some fucking moron Illini fans screeched about a S16 every year 20 years ago?

Of course they do, some of our fans are stupid as fuck.

Those people having stupid and unrealistic expectations for our program doesn't change the reality.

We have never been an annual S16 team for longer than a 5 year stretch, ever, over a century plus.  Nor has Illinois ever fired a coach who made the tournament annually but hadn't been past the second round.  They have fired two coaches, both for missing the tournament consistently.

The S16 thing is just a reason to whine.  If we make it this year they'll move the goalposts, because they're fucking morons.

It wasn't 20 years ago, but yeah, most of that.

The "getting fired" thing is not really proof of much. Coaches who know they are on thin ice often jump to other opportunities. That's why Tubby Smith left COK before it was COK. Roy Williams didn't like the situation at Kansas, so he jumped to UNC. Mike Brey saw the writing on the wall and announced he was retiring. Steve Alford (son of Sam) knew it was time to depart Iowa.
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« Reply #173 on: March 08, 2023, 02:39:05 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 08, 2023, 02:34:14 PM
Scout board has a whole lot more intelligent and reasonable discussion than I've ever seen out of this place these days.

Also a lot of idiots, for sure, but this place is a fucking nightmare.

But it's our nightmare.
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« Reply #174 on: March 08, 2023, 02:45:38 PM »
Quote from: IVMP on March 08, 2023, 02:39:05 PM
But it's our nightmare.

Reminds me of this scene from Patton....

https://youtu.be/hKWprtKwv74?t=155
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« Reply #175 on: March 08, 2023, 03:03:37 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 08, 2023, 02:45:38 PM
Reminds me of this scene from Patton....

https://youtu.be/hKWprtKwv74?t=155

I was thinking more of the end of Road House. "This is our town!"
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« Reply #176 on: March 08, 2023, 03:06:22 PM »
Just looked at some of the blocked stuff. Am I really reading this correctly?

Someone seems to suggest Bill Self left Illinois for KU because he failed to make the sweet 16 and was on the hot seat?

Or that Roy Williams left KU for UNC because he was insecure at KU?

Nobody could possibly believe that nonsense. I have  to be reading it wrong.

I suppose by the same logic Gene Bartow was on the hot seat at Illinois so he took the UCLA job?
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« Reply #177 on: March 08, 2023, 03:20:47 PM »
Roy Williams was pretty direct about the AD change at Kansas playing a part in his decision.

And Gene Bartow was a sparkling 8-18 in his only year at Illinois.

Keep fighting the senility fight, Nichi.
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« Reply #178 on: March 08, 2023, 03:22:42 PM »
Quote from: IVMP on March 08, 2023, 03:20:47 PM
Roy Williams was pretty direct about the AD change at Kansas playing a part in his decision.

And Gene Bartow was a sparkling 8-18 in his only year at Illinois.


I guess I read correctly.
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« Reply #179 on: March 08, 2023, 03:31:03 PM »
Roy Williams last 3 years at KU. Sweet 16, final 4, championship game. Hot seat?

Bartow was hired to replace John Wooden.
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