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Re: Coaching hot seat
« Reply #150 on: March 22, 2023, 02:36:03 PM »
Yep, now that cheating is essentially legal, why settle for a merely competent coach?
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Re: Coaching hot seat
« Reply #151 on: March 22, 2023, 02:38:00 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 22, 2023, 02:36:03 PM
Yep, now that cheating is essentially legal, why settle for a merely competent coach?

Another excellent point.
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Re: Coaching hot seat
« Reply #152 on: March 22, 2023, 02:43:19 PM »
Now that cheating is legal, don’t the cheaters lose their competitive advantage?
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Re: Coaching hot seat
« Reply #153 on: March 22, 2023, 02:44:55 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 22, 2023, 02:43:19 PM
Now that cheating is legal, don’t the cheaters lose their competitive advantage?

Yes. So you need to come up with new, creative ways to cheat. 
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Re: Coaching hot seat
« Reply #154 on: March 22, 2023, 02:46:39 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 22, 2023, 02:43:19 PM
Now that cheating is legal, don’t the cheaters lose their competitive advantage?

No, because some are better at it than others. See: Weber, Bruce (currently employed by B1G Network).
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Coaching hot seat
« Reply #155 on: March 22, 2023, 02:57:44 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 22, 2023, 02:28:48 PM
Part of the reason I’d be ok with Underwood leaving is I think there are some good, fairly proven coaches who could be snagged. Whether Whitman has what it takes to snag them, not sure. I think the last 2-3 years has been a good time to be in the market for a coach.

Lorenzo Romar’s available.

I kid, I kid, but you do this every time we have an opening.  The chances of us getting the guys I assume you’re talking about are not good.

It could work out, for sure, but we would almost certainly be taking a guy who isn’t established but has had a few good years and a tourney upset or two.
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« Reply #156 on: March 22, 2023, 02:58:42 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 22, 2023, 02:31:43 PM
I think Underwood got a little lucky with Kofi. He was underrated coming in. I think Orlando Antigua was a big part of the secret sauce that is now gone. JMO

It’s really easy to be critical when you hammer any mistakes but write off anything deserving of praise to “luck”.
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Re: Coaching hot seat
« Reply #157 on: March 22, 2023, 03:19:35 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 22, 2023, 02:58:42 PM
It’s really easy to be critical when you hammer any mistakes but write off anything deserving of praise to “luck”.

Underwood deserves praise for resurrecting the program. Not sure he deserves praise for developing Kofi. Kofi was just a different animal, and that was evident early in his career.
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« Reply #158 on: March 22, 2023, 03:21:03 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 22, 2023, 03:19:35 PM
Underwood deserves praise for resurrecting the program. Not sure he deserves praise for developing Kofi. Kofi was just a different animal, and that was evident early in his career.

And yet, nobody seemed to know it until he played for Underwood and went from being an Omar Payne level recruit when he arrived on campus to a two-time All American with his jersey in the rafters when he left.
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Re: Coaching hot seat
« Reply #159 on: March 22, 2023, 03:25:45 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 22, 2023, 03:21:03 PM
And yet, nobody seemed to know it until he played for Underwood and went from being an Omar Payne level recruit when he arrived on campus to a two-time All American with his jersey in the rafters when he left.

If only Underachiever found 3-5 more diamonds in the rough like Kofi.
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Re: Coaching hot seat
« Reply #160 on: March 22, 2023, 03:25:53 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 22, 2023, 02:57:44 PM
Lorenzo Romar’s available.

I kid, I kid, but you do this every time we have an opening.  The chances of us getting the guys I assume you’re talking about are not good.

It could work out, for sure, but we would almost certainly be taking a guy who isn’t established but has had a few good years and a tourney upset or two.

Haha! You bring up an excellent example of how I’ve been memed. Tempo loves Reggie Theus. Tempo loves Romar. 3 to 5. Tempo hates white people. Tempo hates white coaches. Tempo doesn’t care if we win as long as our coaches are black! I could go on, but you get the point.

I’d have hired Pitino in a heartbeat if he was interested. Top 5 coach of all-time and still has juice. Musselman and Oates I think could be lured (but both haven’t looked good off the court lately). Hell, it’s only been one year but I’d consider poaching Jerome Tang. That dude has flipped that program in one year. I’d love to hire Sean Miller. Would be surprised if Xavier is his permanent job. I’d take any of those guys over Underwood, and I think Illinois has been rehabilitated to the point to where we are an attractive destination again.
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Re: Coaching hot seat
« Reply #161 on: March 22, 2023, 03:27:40 PM »
Dang. I just realized Bruce Weber is 66.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #162 on: March 22, 2023, 03:52:36 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 22, 2023, 03:25:53 PM
Haha! You bring up an excellent example of how I’ve been memed. Tempo loves Reggie Theus. Tempo loves Romar. 3 to 5. Tempo hates white people. Tempo hates white coaches. Tempo doesn’t care if we win as long as our coaches are black! I could go on, but you get the point.

I’d have hired Pitino in a heartbeat if he was interested. Top 5 coach of all-time and still has juice. Musselman and Oates I think could be lured (but both haven’t looked good off the court lately). Hell, it’s only been one year but I’d consider poaching Jerome Tang. That dude has flipped that program in one year. I’d love to hire Sean Miller. Would be surprised if Xavier is his permanent job. I’d take any of those guys over Underwood, and I think Illinois has been rehabilitated to the point to where we are an attractive destination again.

I figured you were smart enough - especially after I wrote 'I kid' twice - to know I was just pokin' a little fun.

I love that you mention Tang, a guy with one year coaching who will have to rebuild his entire roster next year.  Maybe he'll turn out great, but would be a horrible decision to hire him based on one season.  If he is consistently in the tournament then he will obviously be in hot demand but he's a long way from that.  People thought Hubert Davis was awesome coming into this season, and then he took the preseason #1 team and missed the tourney with them.
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« Reply #163 on: March 22, 2023, 03:53:51 PM »
I don’t think anybody thought Hubert Davis was awesome, but hey, whatever…
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« Reply #164 on: March 22, 2023, 03:54:47 PM »
But yes, Spark, I agree with you on Underwood and our fan base. Although if he leaves I’m in the Tempo camp of go get Sean Miller and I won’t be upset.
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