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Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #600 on: September 28, 2024, 04:22:36 PM »
Not if he wrecks the economy again. Trump has no clue how to run a business or a country. Most of the people he hired for his first administration now oppose him. The rest are weirdos.

He didn’t wreck the economy. You’re a fucking moron. COVID and all the shut downs did. That was your liberal buddies who tanked the economy.
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #601 on: September 28, 2024, 04:46:36 PM »
I don’t really know much about DeSantis but I do appreciate he didn’t cave to the pressure of shutting down his state in 2020 to the degree others did.

I’m glad Musk bought Twitter because there needs to be some balance in big social media—they shouldn’t all be left-controlled. I tend to agree with Murph that he’s off the rails. But even Musk has been a lifelong left of center type person that’s become disenchanted with what’s become of modern left wing priorities.

I’ve always been the kind of person that could vote either way depending on what a candidate had to offer. To a hardcore lefty, that makes me entrenched in the right wing spectrum.

My biggest issues right now are common sense border security and the fact I’ve seen with my own two eyes what’s happened across the country in single party rule blue areas over the last 4-5 years, and it’s appalling. NYC, SF, Chicago, STL, LA, Portland, Seattle, etc are all noticeably worse places in many respects than they were 5-10 years ago. Places with more balanced governments are attracting people fleeing from those other areas and expanding as fast as they can build.

Psst!  Single party rule is very much alive in red states like Tennessee.  And people, particularly young families, are moving from the big cities primarily for housing-related reasons. 

As to Florida and other climate vulnerable areas, I expect a growing number of people will be moving out-of-state over the next 50-75 years.  Your guy DeSantis and future governors won't be able to do anything about it.
https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/features/americans-moving-climate-change/

Musk is center-left?  Hahahahahah!  Nice try.
https://newrepublic.com/post/186455/elon-musk-pac-millions-republicans-house-races
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #602 on: September 28, 2024, 04:48:32 PM »
Jesus. The economy was fine under Trump. The blind loyalty to the Biden administration is nuts.

A large chunk of voters won’t admit to any of this administration’s failures, blame them all on Trump, then try to gaslight the rest of us into submission if we point out anything concerning.

Brainwashing 101.
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« Reply #603 on: September 28, 2024, 04:54:53 PM »
Psst!  Single party rule is very much alive in red states like Tennessee.  And people, particularly young families, are moving from the big cities primarily for housing-related reasons. 

As to Florida and other climate vulnerable areas, I expect a growing number of people will be moving out-of-state over the next 50-75 years.  Your guy DeSantis and future governors won't be able to do anything about it.
https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/features/americans-moving-climate-change/

Musk is center-left?  Hahahahahah!  Nice try.
https://newrepublic.com/post/186455/elon-musk-pac-millions-republicans-house-races

Housing issues are just one reason of many. Why are there housing issues? Why do Democrat run cities so consistently have this problem in which they just flat out refuse to address the problem and instead allow the wealthy to protect their own interests and pull the ladder up after them? Murph has even talked about how this happens in the Bay Area and how he is complicit in it. What we you saying about being honest earlier?

I thought you guys were going to fix climate change with electric vehicle mandates? No new technology will come along in the next 50-75 years to offset it? Man won’t adapt? Insanity.

Like everyone, Musk spends his money where it will help his businesses. He has described himself as being center left most of his life until recently. People change their minds, especially in the face of increasingly radical movements that threaten our way of life.
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« Reply #604 on: September 28, 2024, 06:05:43 PM »
Housing issues are just one reason of many. Why are there housing issues? Why do Democrat run cities so consistently have this problem in which they just flat out refuse to address the problem and instead allow the wealthy to protect their own interests and pull the ladder up after them? Murph has even talked about how this happens in the Bay Area and how he is complicit in it. What we you saying about being honest earlier?

I thought you guys were going to fix climate change with electric vehicle mandates? No new technology will come along in the next 50-75 years to offset it? Man won’t adapt? Insanity.

Like everyone, Musk spends his money where it will help his businesses. He has described himself as being center left most of his life until recently. People change their minds, especially in the face of increasingly radical movements that threaten our way of life.

Like I’ve said before, restrictive zoning and housing policies are one thing that liberals AND conservatives in the big cities can agree upon.  If that’s what they want, so be it.  I may not agree, but I have no skin in the game and neither do you. 
 
(STRAWMAN ALERT) Who said climate change would be solved by EV mandates?  Not me.  I think hybrids and more fuel efficient vehicles will be part of the mix for reducing carbon emissions in the transportation sector.  Maybe green hydrogen for heavy-duty trucks and other larger vehicles.  And we will soon find out if smaller, modular nuclear systems are feasible for producing low-carbon electricity as we transition away from fossil fuels.   

Yes, humans will adapt to climate change and that’s why people living in climate-affected areas will move to areas less susceptible to major weather events.   It’s already happening.  Future generations will have to deal with it.   
https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/articles/what-are-climate-migrants-and-where-are-they-moving

Good to see that some of the Biden IRA money is going to states to harden aging infrastructure and strengthen electric grid resilience.  We need more of that.   

Your guy Musk can spend his money wherever he wants, including funding the ground game for Trump and other GOP candidates.  But he’s not center-left by any stretch of imagination.     

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #605 on: September 28, 2024, 07:44:28 PM »
He didn’t wreck the economy. You’re a fucking moron. COVID and all the shut downs did. That was your liberal buddies who tanked the economy.

What were P/E ratios before Covid?

What did Trump's tax cuts do to the deficit?

What was the effect of his trade policies?

Why do Trumpers always  call people they disagree with morons and retarded?
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« Reply #606 on: September 28, 2024, 09:14:20 PM »
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #607 on: September 29, 2024, 08:15:12 AM »
https://futurism.com/the-byte/twitter-suspending-more-people

The buried lede in the article is the claim that The Twotter user numbers are "dwindling"...
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #608 on: September 29, 2024, 09:03:53 AM »
What were P/E ratios before Covid?

What did Trump's tax cuts do to the deficit?

What was the effect of his trade policies?

Why do Trumpers always  call people they disagree with morons and retarded?
P/E ratios?! That's a new one for something that is fairly far removed from what the Pres can do or control, or should, anyway. Trump is a potential disaster but the economy was generally fine under him until COVID, which was derailing the economy regardless notwithstanding that he had no idea what to do to speed up the recovery or stabilize it.

The real economic disaster of Trump is if he actually does anything with tariffs or immigration, either of which by themselves would put us in fairly bad shape. That Musk pushes the xenophobic crap that leads to the latter views being even remotely popular should be disqualifying for being the CEO of companies that require a fair amount of skilled labor.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #609 on: September 29, 2024, 09:42:24 AM »
P/E ratios?! That's a new one for something that is fairly far removed from what the Pres can do or control, or should, anyway. Trump is a potential disaster but the economy was generally fine under him until COVID, which was derailing the economy regardless notwithstanding that he had no idea what to do to speed up the recovery or stabilize it.

The real economic disaster of Trump is if he actually does anything with tariffs or immigration, either of which by themselves would put us in fairly bad shape. That Musk pushes the xenophobic crap that leads to the latter views being even remotely popular should be disqualifying for being the CEO of companies that require a fair amount of skilled labor.

Yes. P/E ratios of the S&P iirc. When they are above a certain level. There is term for it that escapes me right now. Associated with Black Monday, etc.

Trump's role was corporations used cash from his tax holiday to buy back there own stock, inflating it's value.

Markets were possibly due for a correction at best when Covid happened. Maybe a recession. Going off memory..

I agree with the rest.
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #610 on: September 29, 2024, 09:53:55 AM »
Housing issues are just one reason of many. Why are there housing issues? Why do Democrat run cities so consistently have this problem in which they just flat out refuse to address the problem and instead allow the wealthy to protect their own interests and pull the ladder up after them? Murph has even talked about how this happens in the Bay Area and how he is complicit in it. What we you saying about being honest earlier?

I thought you guys were going to fix climate change with electric vehicle mandates? No new technology will come along in the next 50-75 years to offset it? Man won’t adapt? Insanity.

Like everyone, Musk spends his money where it will help his businesses. He has described himself as being center left most of his life until recently. People change their minds, especially in the face of increasingly radical movements that threaten our way of life.
Re: housing, the Bay Area is an example of how it has to be resolved at the state level; the "city" of SF is small - they can't really resolve their housing crisis without San Mateo and San Jose resolving their housing crisis. The San Francisco/Manhattan scenario is somewhat unique nationally, but the solution to having local government captured by vested interests is a regional/state one. This is one of the frustrations about Kathy Hochul recently getting in the way of congestion pricing - it's a small but promising tool to properly price road use of dense urban areas and return the funds to public transportation, and it got vetoed, largely by commuters who like the status quo. Even if New York had a functional mayor right now, they're limited what they can actually do themselves. This goes double for a place like Oakland, which needs major redevelopment with infrastructure investment, and has no bargaining power absent regional/state subsidizing.

But Manhattan and SF are fairly unique. When you say "Democrat-run cities," my primary personal example is of course Chicago, a city where the predominantly conservative regional population that benefits mightily from having a world-class economic center and tourist destination within a short drive throws an absolute fit when it's asked to pay its fair share of the liabilities incurred in supporting a world-class economic center and tourist destination and in same cases moves across the state line to avoid doing so, which is a problem that would require, again, a state or federal level solution.

I'd also note that major housing crises only show up in areas where people really want to live. It's not an accident that the list is predominantly places like Seattle, SF, LA, Boston, NYC, DC, etc. The red state exceptions would be places like Austin, Nashville, or the research triangle, which all currently have Democrat mayors and have invested heavily in cultural or business environments appealing to young people. To some extent scolding "Democrat-run cities" for having housing shortages is castigating them for being interesting, desirable places to live with thriving economies, which should raise the question as to what's stopping "Republican-run cities" from being big deals.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #611 on: September 29, 2024, 10:44:48 AM »
Too many people confuse the stock market for “the economy.” Thanks, stock buybacks (which used to be and should be illegal).
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #612 on: September 29, 2024, 10:45:13 AM »
No hyperbole here…

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #613 on: September 30, 2024, 12:28:24 PM »
Yes. P/E ratios of the S&P iirc. When they are above a certain level. There is term for it that escapes me right now. Associated with Black Monday, etc.

Trump's role was corporations used cash from his tax holiday to buy back there own stock, inflating it's value.

Markets were possibly due for a correction at best when Covid happened. Maybe a recession. Going off memory..

I agree with the rest.

High PE ratios are usually associated with high expectations for growth in a particular stock and are generally fueled by extremely low interest rates, as well as stock buybacks
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #614 on: September 30, 2024, 12:37:02 PM »
I feel sad at how things are today in our country.
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