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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3855 on: November 07, 2023, 08:26:01 PM »
I don't know why people still fall for polls, but:

"The New York Times/Siena College polls of 3,662 registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were conducted in English and Spanish on cellular and landline telephones from Oct. 22 to Nov. 3, 2023."

I don't know how many elections in a row I have to point this out, but you cannot accurately sample and poll educated zoomers and millennials using landlines (which they don't have) or cell phones (which have major mismatches between area codes and where these groups actually vote).

If your poll tells you that 18-29 year olds are 47-46 Biden and that 30-44 year olds are 47-43 for Trump, you have flat-out fucked up the poll.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3856 on: November 07, 2023, 09:08:35 PM »
What a terrible night.

FOR POLLSTERS!!!!
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3857 on: November 07, 2023, 09:53:54 PM »
Warmonger Joe Biden doesn’t back a ceasefire in Gaza, but the majority of Americans do.

https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2023/10/19/voters-agree-the-us-should-call-for-a-ceasefire-and-de-escalation-of-violence-in-gaza
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3858 on: November 07, 2023, 09:55:23 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on November 07, 2023, 08:26:01 PM
I don't know why people still fall for polls, but:

"The New York Times/Siena College polls of 3,662 registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were conducted in English and Spanish on cellular and landline telephones from Oct. 22 to Nov. 3, 2023."

I don't know how many elections in a row I have to point this out, but you cannot accurately sample and poll educated zoomers and millennials using landlines (which they don't have) or cell phones (which have major mismatches between area codes and where these groups actually vote).

If your poll tells you that 18-29 year olds are 47-46 Biden and that 30-44 year olds are 47-43 for Trump, you have flat-out fucked up the poll.

It is true that polling has not caught up with the times.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3859 on: November 07, 2023, 09:58:15 PM »
I’d wager that the vast majority of American voters don’t know fuck-all about what’s really going on in Gaza.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3860 on: November 07, 2023, 09:58:50 PM »
Arab support for Joe Biden plummeting over Gaza.

Meanwhile, PAMan:





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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3861 on: November 07, 2023, 09:59:30 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 07, 2023, 09:58:15 PM
I’d wager that the vast majority of American voters don’t know fuck-all about what’s really going on in Gaza.

They know what bombed out buildings look like.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3862 on: November 07, 2023, 10:05:46 PM »
I am no Biden fan, but the West is implicit in this whole debacle and should tread very carefully imo.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3863 on: November 07, 2023, 10:07:04 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 07, 2023, 09:53:54 PM
Warmonger Joe Biden doesn’t back a ceasefire in Gaza, but the majority of Americans do.

https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2023/10/19/voters-agree-the-us-should-call-for-a-ceasefire-and-de-escalation-of-violence-in-gaza

You seriously are a fucking moron.

Biden has been talking to Netanyahu about it. He was told to pound salt because a) it should be premised on the release of hostages and Hamas isn't going to do that, and b) when they did it in 2014, Hamas still kept up attacks and took soldiers hostage.

Do you have to be a complete ignoramus on every subject?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3864 on: November 07, 2023, 10:09:03 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 07, 2023, 09:58:50 PM
Arab support for Joe Biden plummeting over Gaza.

Meanwhile, PAMan:



LOL. Let them vote for Trump or not vote at all. We'll see how that will go worse for them than when the Bernie Bros refused to vote for Hillary.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3865 on: November 07, 2023, 10:11:05 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 07, 2023, 09:58:15 PM
I’d wager that the vast majority of American voters don’t know fuck-all about what’s really going on in Gaza.

Very true. And definitely care more about the impact of inflation than the Israelis and Hamas going back at it again. But Tempo going to Tempo and only read the headlines about the poll instead of reading the actual results, because reading is hard for dumbasses like him.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3866 on: November 07, 2023, 10:21:47 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 07, 2023, 10:05:46 PM
I am no Biden fan, but the West is implicit in this whole debacle and should tread very carefully imo.

This is going to be a long and nasty war. Not the usual go in, blow up a few of the Hamas facilities (usually located in schools, mosques, and hospitals) and call it a day.

They are not fucking around over there this time around. You read some of the reports coming out of there, they appear on board, as a society,  for WWII style, fuck you, Dresden and Tokyo firebombing 1945 type unconditional war. And they don't give a shit what The Squad and the Defund the Police idiots think.

And it certainly has looked, so far, that the Iranians and their proxies are content just to lob missiles here there since Joe let them know he is not fucking around by sending the Navy in.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3867 on: November 07, 2023, 10:23:36 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 07, 2023, 09:59:30 PM
They know what bombed out buildings look like.

When those building are on top of Hamas facilities, that's what happens. They had 3 weeks notice to pack up and leave before the shit hit the fan.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3868 on: November 07, 2023, 10:29:21 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 07, 2023, 10:07:04 PM
You seriously are a fucking moron.

Biden has been talking to Netanyahu about it. He was told to pound salt because a) it should be premised on the release of hostages and Hamas isn't going to do that, and b) when they did it in 2014, Hamas still kept up attacks and took soldiers hostage.

Do you have to be a complete ignoramus on every subject?

Glad Biden has been “talking to Netanyahu about it.” Huge relief.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3869 on: November 07, 2023, 10:30:40 PM »
The bigger question is, why is it ok that Palestinians live in an open air prison?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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