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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2370 on: May 10, 2022, 11:40:06 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on May 10, 2022, 11:34:50 AM
Do we know if Alito and his family actually vacated their residence?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/09/alito-rumor-undisclosed-location/

And when discussing the propriety of protesting outside of supreme court justices' homes, it's important to remember that in the 90s the court held that protesting outside of the homes of "abortion clinic employees" is protected by the first amendment.

which is completely different than protesting at a supreme court justice's personal residence kike bot

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1507

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Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

Nothing in this section shall interfere with or prevent the exercise by any court of the United States of its power to punish for contempt.
(Added Sept. 23, 1950, ch. 1024, title I, § 31(a), 64 Stat. 1018; amended Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(K), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2371 on: May 10, 2022, 12:16:59 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on May 10, 2022, 11:34:50 AM
Do we know if Alito and his family actually vacated their residence?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/09/alito-rumor-undisclosed-location/

And when discussing the propriety of protesting outside of supreme court justices' homes, it's important to remember that in the 90s the court held that protesting outside of the homes of "abortion clinic employees" is protected by the first amendment.

We'll just skip the law on the books regarding the Justices homes for now.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2372 on: May 10, 2022, 12:41:48 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on May 10, 2022, 11:34:50 AM
Do we know if Alito and his family actually vacated their residence?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/09/alito-rumor-undisclosed-location/

And when discussing the propriety of protesting outside of supreme court justices' homes, it's important to remember that in the 90s the court held that protesting outside of the homes of "abortion clinic employees" is protected by the first amendment.

But they have a statue abrogating the 1st Amendment that protects them, while they are also not accountable to voters (which is a good thing overall).
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2373 on: May 10, 2022, 01:15:43 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 10, 2022, 12:41:48 PM
But they have a statue abrogating the 1st Amendment that protects them, while they are also not accountable to voters (which is a good thing overall).
I don't think a statue can do that.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2374 on: May 10, 2022, 01:17:01 PM »
There are no “tiers” of free speech the 1st amendment protects based on one’s occupational standing.  As long as demonstrators are not threatening, loud or damaging property and go home by 10PM, they should be allowed to do this.

Having said that, I would agree that protesting in front of the justices’ homes should be taboo.  But the Supreme Court building should be picketed loudly.  Every day.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2375 on: May 10, 2022, 01:29:22 PM »
Quote from: Mn on May 10, 2022, 01:15:43 PM
I don't think a statue can do that.

You have been notting its existence in your posts here.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2376 on: May 10, 2022, 01:30:33 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 10, 2022, 01:29:22 PM
You have been notting its existence in your posts here.
You are correct to a T.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2377 on: May 10, 2022, 01:31:54 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on May 10, 2022, 01:17:01 PM
There are no “tiers” of free speech the 1st amendment protects based on one’s occupational standing.  As long as demonstrators are not threatening, loud or damaging property and go home by 10PM, they should be allowed to do this.

Having said that, I would agree that protesting in front of the justices’ homes should be taboo.  But the Supreme Court building should be picketed loudly.  Every day.

I agree. Not sure the tactics will backfire though,  as I think, as of now,  the economy will be the driving factor in the mid terms,  not that there is much anyone in the government can do about baby formula shortages.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2378 on: May 10, 2022, 01:43:04 PM »
Congress writes law. Go picket them if you're so inclined.
SCOTUS can make decisions that affect both sides of the aisle and special interest groups. Protesting at justices homes every time they say something or make a ruling doesn't sound like such a hot idea.
Hurt feelings don't cut it.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2379 on: May 10, 2022, 01:54:40 PM »
Quote from: Mn on May 10, 2022, 01:43:04 PM
Congress writes law. Go picket them if you're so inclined.
SCOTUS can make decisions that affect both sides of the aisle and special interest groups. Protesting at justices homes every time they say something or make a ruling doesn't sound like such a hot idea.
Hurt feelings don't cut it.

Would not have this issue if the Dems had just hired the Italians to help them cheat at elections much earlier than 2020.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2380 on: May 10, 2022, 02:08:53 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 10, 2022, 01:31:54 PM
I agree. Not sure the tactics will backfire though,  as I think, as of now,  the economy will be the driving factor in the mid terms,  not that there is much anyone in the government can do about baby formula shortages.

I think a draconian ruling will energize part of the D voting base and some independents. 

However, if the D message in November is standing up to a radical right agenda vs. the economy, it's going to be a rout.   When we run on morality, we lose and rightfully so.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2381 on: May 10, 2022, 02:30:18 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 10, 2022, 01:54:40 PM
Would not have this issue if the Dems had just hired the Italians to help them cheat at elections much earlier than 2020.
Are Elias and Sussman Italian ?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2382 on: May 10, 2022, 02:43:08 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on May 10, 2022, 11:40:06 AM

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1507

I doubt that the statute applies in a constitutional law issue case. Look at the intent part.  Obstruction of justice clearly does not apply.

Intent to influence a judge might apply. However, I tend to think this is mainly about using crowds to intimidate judges and juries in cases not involving issue advocacy.

I think there have been  protests at court houses when there are cases  involving gun rights and the death penalty?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2383 on: May 10, 2022, 03:02:03 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 10, 2022, 01:31:54 PM
  not that there is much anyone in the government can do about baby formula shortages.

I don't know about that... what about promoting having more abortions? 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2384 on: May 10, 2022, 03:16:04 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on May 10, 2022, 02:08:53 PM
I think a draconian ruling will energize part of the D voting base and some independents. 

However, if the D message in November is standing up to a radical right agenda vs. the economy, it's going to be a rout.   When we run on morality, we lose and rightfully so.

Maybe I am naive, but it should not be hard to sell the following:

Most of the current Inflation is directly and indirectly due to Covid. In response to the lock downs and closures, the previous administration passed the CARES ACT. This current administration passed the American Recovery Act. These acts helped prevent economic chaos.

One unfortunate side effect was an increase in core inflation from 2% to 5%. However, the alternative, deflation, would have been far worse and more difficult to overcome.

Of course, the consumer price index, or CPI is running about 8.5%. The CPI differs from core inflation because it includes commodities that fluctuate in price with the market.

Much of the higher number is still due to the pandemic related international supply chain bottlenecks.  These are still being worked out and were further aggravated by the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Some cynical people are actually blaming the American Recovery Act for inflation. If only people were poor enough; there would be less demand,  supply problems wouldn't matter,  and prices should be lower. Shame on them.
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