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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #405 on: September 02, 2020, 08:34:28 AM »
I said the same in 2016.
For this election. One debate, without teleprompters.

Oh, I'm not supposed to say "top line messages"?
Then why did you put it on the teleprompter ?
This is exasperating.
Thanks for the rewind.
This is exacerbating.
Did I get everything else right ?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #406 on: September 02, 2020, 09:38:22 AM »
California going full retard

https://www.wnd.com/2020/08/ca-opens-door-reparations-slavery-senate-votes-create-task-force/

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Democratic Assemblywoman Shirley Weber has said the reparations legislation was necessary despite the fact that California entered the U.S. in 1850 as a free state -- where slavery was illegal.

Thats some pretty serious mental gymnastics there just to pander for votes
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #407 on: September 02, 2020, 10:03:51 AM »
I wish I could feel like it was a privilege or duty to choose between Trump/Hillary or Trump/Biden. Feels more like a comedy to me.

Granted, it's an ugly process for sure.  I feel that in some ways we've gotten here because many folks don't bother to participate in our democratic system.  If it's ever going to be fixed, it's up to all of us.  Being a sideline cynic contributes to the problems.  And yes, it is all of our duties to be involved.  Governing is tough stuff.  An informed and tuned in citizenry makes for better outcomes IMHO.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #408 on: September 02, 2020, 10:45:14 AM »
Aren't things supposed to work the other way ?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/28/us/reparations-poll-trnd/index.html
Overall, about 29% of the people questioned support reparations, or payment to African Americans whose family members were slaves, according to the poll conducted in September of nearly 1,300 black, white and Hispanic Americans.
People are again talking about slavery reparations. But it's a complex and thorny issue
Reparations have been adopted as a talking point among Democratic presidential hopefuls. But there's little consensus among average Americans

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #409 on: September 02, 2020, 11:15:33 AM »
Aren't things supposed to work the other way ?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/28/us/reparations-poll-trnd/index.html
Overall, about 29% of the people questioned support reparations, or payment to African Americans whose family members were slaves, according to the poll conducted in September of nearly 1,300 black, white and Hispanic Americans.
People are again talking about slavery reparations. But it's a complex and thorny issue
Reparations have been adopted as a talking point among Democratic presidential hopefuls. But there's little consensus among average Americans

Actually, no. If it did, the GOP would never pass the tax bills favoring the wealthy that they do, abortion would not always be under attack, we never would have gotten in WWI or WWII, desegregation of schools never would have occurred, I can go on.

Not saying reparations falls under those examples, just disagreeing with your premise.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #410 on: September 02, 2020, 11:18:29 AM »
California going full retard

https://www.wnd.com/2020/08/ca-opens-door-reparations-slavery-senate-votes-create-task-force/

Thats some pretty serious mental gymnastics there just to pander for votes

If you ever go to the African American museum in DC, it does make quite the case how this country, as a whole, has benefitted economically from slavery.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #411 on: September 02, 2020, 11:33:51 AM »
I wish I could feel like it was a privilege or duty to choose between Trump/Hillary or Trump/Biden. Feels more like a comedy to me.
I kind of feel like it’s a duty. I look at the state of our country and I feel that it’s my duty to do what I can to make sure that the current leadership doesn’t get four more years.

Someone might believe Trump has done some good things, and they might be right. But this country is more divided and bitter than its ever been, and that is primarily Trump’s fault. I don’t want to see what four more years of this will do to the country, and I certainly don’t want Trump in charge of it turns out a vaccine for this virus is a lot further off than people are hoping.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #412 on: September 02, 2020, 11:47:05 AM »
I kind of feel like it’s a duty. I look at the state of our country and I feel that it’s my duty to do what I can to make sure that the current leadership doesn’t get four more years.

Someone might believe Trump has done some good things, and they might be right. But this country is more divided and bitter than its ever been, and that is primarily Trump’s fault. I don’t want to see what four more years of this will do to the country, and I certainly don’t want Trump in charge of it turns out a vaccine for this virus is a lot further off than people are hoping.

No offense but this kind of defeatist simple minded thinking is precisely why a legit third party is a non-starter and we keep settling for lesser of two evil candidates.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #413 on: September 02, 2020, 11:59:10 AM »
No offense but this kind of defeatist simple minded thinking is precisely why a legit third party is a non-starter and we keep settling for lesser of two evil candidates.

I don't get that from what he said.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #414 on: September 02, 2020, 12:04:21 PM »
If you ever go to the African American museum in DC, it does make quite the case how this country, as a whole, has benefitted economically from slavery.

No shit, why do you think the South went to war?  Hint: money

I can also learn a bunch of other complete and total garbage about my own race from ivory tower libtards there

https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #415 on: September 02, 2020, 12:13:01 PM »
No shit, why do you think the South went to war?  Hint: money

I can also learn a bunch of other complete and total garbage about my own race from ivory tower libtards there

https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness

Well, one point raised was how the North benefitted as well from lower commodity prices, etc. etc. etc. Was quite interesting. Definitely would go again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #416 on: September 02, 2020, 12:16:05 PM »
No shit, why do you think the South went to war?  Hint: money

I can also learn a bunch of other complete and total garbage about my own race from ivory tower libtards there

https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness

Can't say that link had anything too radical in it. You certainly exhibit the features of white fragility mentioned in it.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #417 on: September 02, 2020, 12:16:46 PM »
Sorry, fuckimg, for not parsing the quotes. I'm on the Blue Line and wearing gloves while posting.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #418 on: September 02, 2020, 01:04:44 PM »
No offense but this kind of defeatist simple minded thinking is precisely why a legit third party is a non-starter and we keep settling for lesser of two evil candidates.

You get 3.25 of every four years to work on that, and .75 of every four years to just make the best choice available.

If we do a better job in those 3.25, then the .75 will have better options. If we don't, that's our fault and we shouldn't bitch, we should be ready for the next chance.

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« Reply #419 on: September 02, 2020, 03:08:23 PM »
You get 3.25 of every four years to work on that, and .75 of every four years to just make the best choice available.

If we do a better job in those 3.25, then the .75 will have better options. If we don't, that's our fault and we shouldn't bitch, we should be ready for the next chance.

Precisely. Except almost nothing is being done in the 3.25 years to either hold the two parties to a higher standard or introduce a legitimate third party that will put enough competitive pressure on the other two to drive meaningful change.

In 2016 at least alternative party candidates were in the conversation. Four years later you’d think that the hurt, disappointment and sheer insanity that’s taken place would have ignited the 60 or so percent that don’t approve of Trump to do everything possible to avoid another 2016 outcome.

Yet here we are again throwing hands in the air holding our noses for another completely uninspiring old white career politician.

I mean hell they CANCELLED SPORTS and people still  underparticipated in the political process last winter and spring. If people held politics to the same standard with the same passion that they do their sports teams maybe we’d have something.
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