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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1380 on: September 26, 2021, 08:17:28 AM »
This illustrates the problem with outrage culture. Mix that with optics culture, this is what we get.   People look at the disturbing images, get irate, and jump to hasty conclusions. Or to use a hackneyed phrase, there is "a rush to judgment". Let's face it, even construed correctly, white men on horseback, with long whip like reins, herding Black men like cattle, is 'not a good look'. It's at least 'concerning'.

There is another 'concerning' aspect to all this that is not getting media attention. Immigrants who might qualify for asylum are apparently being given notices to report and released. I can sort of understand that. However, for some bizarre reason they are not being tested or vaccinated for covid 19. I have heard those with symptoms are possibly being held in custody and quarantined?

If covid vaccination and / or testing can be required for employment, restaurant entry, etc,; then there is no reason I can see why it can't be made a condition for immigration and asylum. Dems want to pass their infrastructure bill, add this as a rider. Then they could say the Republicans voted against  covid testing for illegal immigrants.   
Many of the white men, with long whip-like reins, herding black people, who might qualify for asylum, may have been Hispanics preventing Haitians who had already been granted asylum in South America from entering this country illegally.
The administration does not appear to care about the Covid issue at the border.
Some may be of the opinion that POTUS saying the border agents will be held accountable doesn't sit well when there has been zero accountability for 13 service members killed in Kabul, or 10 people, including 7 kids, droned.
The border agent issue is a manufactured issue. Kabul is not.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1381 on: September 26, 2021, 12:47:06 PM »
Many of the white men, with long whip-like reins, herding black people, who might qualify for asylum, may have been Hispanics preventing Haitians who had already been granted asylum in South America from entering this country illegally.
The administration does not appear to care about the Covid issue at the border.
Some may be of the opinion that POTUS saying the border agents will be held accountable doesn't sit well when there has been zero accountability for 13 service members killed in Kabul, or 10 people, including 7 kids, droned.
The border agent issue is a manufactured issue. Kabul is not.

Not sure about that. One we.definitely can control. The other a little more difficult to control since not on our soil.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1382 on: September 26, 2021, 01:14:28 PM »
...when there has been zero accountability for 13 service members killed in Kabul, or 10 people, including 7 kids, droned.  The border agent issue is a manufactured issue. Kabul is not.

Of course the buck ultimately stops with the presidents – all four of them.

Twenty years of lighting money on fire. Rampant corruption, cronyism and money laundering. Pretending to care about the people.  Clueless intelligence assessments.  Countless lives destroyed.  A government that couldn't last a month. 

Ending a 20-year occupation in a place like Afghanistan was always going to be a mess.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1383 on: September 26, 2021, 02:13:19 PM »
Kabul is not.

Trump made a deal with the Taliban, cut the legs off the Afghan government, reduced  troop levels from  about 13000 to 2500, released 5000 terrorists, and agreed to be out by May 1.  How do we hold him accountable?

January 15, 2021 "The U.S. military has met its goal of reducing the number of troops in Afghanistan to about 2,500 by Friday, a drawdown that may have violated a last-minute congressional prohibition.

The reduction could complicate matters for the incoming Biden administration ..." https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-afghanistan-taliban-united-states-16cc1dd5b2f74d463311d212ad0d215a

« Last Edit: September 26, 2021, 02:22:49 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1384 on: September 26, 2021, 02:19:51 PM »
Mn doesn't know what you're talking about.

Those aspects of the story didn't make it to his OAN Talking Points cheetsheet.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1385 on: September 26, 2021, 07:23:53 PM »
Trump made a deal with the Taliban, cut the legs off the Afghan government, reduced  troop levels from  about 13000 to 2500, released 5000 terrorists, and agreed to be out by May 1.  How do we hold him accountable?

January 15, 2021 "The U.S. military has met its goal of reducing the number of troops in Afghanistan to about 2,500 by Friday, a drawdown that may have violated a last-minute congressional prohibition.

The reduction could complicate matters for the incoming Biden administration ..." https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-afghanistan-taliban-united-states-16cc1dd5b2f74d463311d212ad0d215a


CNN July 6, 2021
"Thousands of prisoners -- including senior al Qaeda and Taliban figures -- remain in Afghanistan's Bagram prison under the sole control of Afghan authorities, following the swift departure of US combat troops from the sprawling compound that houses it, Afghan and security officials told CNN Tuesday."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/06/world/al-qaeda-taliban-prisoners-us-air-base-intl/index.html

AP
"Senior U.S. commanders are skeptical of the Taliban’s stated commitment to peace, although they have said they can accomplish their mission in Afghanistan with 2,500 troops."
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-afghanistan-taliban-united-states-16cc1dd5b2f74d463311d212ad0d215a

We were out Aug 31.


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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1386 on: September 26, 2021, 07:55:36 PM »
We were out Aug 31.
Did Trump release captive Taliban?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1387 on: September 27, 2021, 11:16:29 AM »
"Former President Donald Trump on Monday blamed the “inept Afghan government” for releasing 5,000 Taliban prisoners last year, even though the Trump administration called for prisoner swaps in an agreement with the Taliban."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/09/13/trump-denies-releasing-5000-taliban-prisoners---but-his-administration-negotiated-for-their-release/
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1389 on: September 27, 2021, 12:19:28 PM »
if that isn't enough wtf for you how about this?

https://nypost.com/2021/09/27/alexandra-souverneva-charged-with-starting-fawn-fire-in-california/

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A California “shaman” charged with starting a wildfire that is threatening thousands of homes claimed it started by accident — while she was boiling bear urine to drink, according to local reports.

Alexandra Souverneva, 30, faces up to nine years in prison for allegedly sparking the Fawn Fire, which has destroyed 41 homes and 90 smaller structures and is threatening 2,340 others, officials have said. She has pleaded not guilty.

She is now being eyed for possibly starting other fires across the Golden State, according to the Redding Record-Searchlight.

As the fire in Shasta County raged on Wednesday, Souverneva claimed she’d been hiking and trying to get to Canada, according to documents obtained by the outlet.

She told forest officials that she was thirsty and had come across a puddle of what she believed to be bear urine — and tried to make a fire to boil it, according to documents obtained by the outlet.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1390 on: September 27, 2021, 12:40:00 PM »
This illustrates the problem with outrage culture. Mix that with optics culture, this is what we get.  People look at the disturbing images, get irate, and jump to hasty conclusions. Or to use a hackneyed phrase, there is "a rush to judgment". Let's face it, even construed correctly, white men on horseback, with long whip like reins, herding Black men like cattle, is 'not a good look'. It's at least 'concerning'.

like our president and vice president?

But as usual this story was just another hoax by the fake news, I guarantee you ask the everyday idiot whats going on at the border they will say "durrrr border patrol is whipping black people"  the cat is out of the bag, again, and its intentional.  Because, you know he just droned ten innocent people in Afghanistan...
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1391 on: September 27, 2021, 12:46:54 PM »
https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/should-the-climate-movement-embrace-sabotage



seriously WTF?

Not even smart. If you were trying to monkey wrench it, don't blow up a pipeline, that's messy.

What you need to do is find some key component in the supply chain, something that refineries need, gas stations need, autos need, airplanes need. Then go monkey wrench the factory.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1392 on: September 28, 2021, 10:05:50 AM »
like our president and vice president?

But as usual this story was just another hoax by the fake news, I guarantee you ask the everyday idiot whats going on at the border they will say "durrrr border patrol is whipping black people"  the cat is out of the bag, again, and its intentional.  Because, you know he just droned ten innocent people in Afghanistan...

Real border agents on horseback were herding real migrants. Wtf were they thinking?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1393 on: September 28, 2021, 10:33:01 AM »
"The United States military in 2017 chose to relax its rules of engagement for airstrikes in Afghanistan, which resulted in a massive increase in civilian casualties. From the last year of the Obama administration to the last full year of recorded data during the Trump administration, the number of civilians killed by U.S.-led airstrikes in Afghanistan increased by 330 percent."
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2020/AirstrikesAfghanistan

But the right wing suddenly cares about an errant drone strike. Just like they care about "Americans" stranded in Afghanistan."  https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2020/AirstrikesAfghanistan

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1394 on: September 28, 2021, 12:17:47 PM »
Real border agents on horseback were herding real migrants. Wtf were they thinking?

did you watch the video footage of the incident?
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