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WTF is wrong with the left?

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WTF is wrong with the left?
« on: June 06, 2020, 09:01:27 PM »
I can’t think of anything maybe you guys can help out.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2020, 09:53:27 PM »
They're very fine people. 85% anyway,.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2020, 11:56:39 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 06, 2020, 09:01:27 PM
I can’t think of anything maybe you guys can help out.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2020, 11:40:47 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2020, 12:14:08 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2020, 12:40:24 PM »
From the paragraph that begins with "But here's the truth .....

"and a few opportunistic looters"
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2020, 06:38:10 PM »
Who is more foul mouthed? Rahm or Lori Lightfoot?

I thought there was a poll option!
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2020, 07:21:48 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2020, 11:48:19 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2020, 02:37:23 PM »
Quote from: IlliniGolf on June 07, 2020, 11:40:47 AM
https://www.patriotspundit.com/post/facts-that-debunk-global-warming-and-man-made-climate-change   🤯

Was this intended as satire or just uninentionally funny?

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Pat Michaels was a “member scientist” and “individual supporter” at The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASCC), an organisation created and funded by the tobacco industry to fight anti-tobacco legislation. [10]

Michaels was also an “Academic Member” of the European Science and Environment Forum (ESEF), a group created by the tobacco industry to frame legitimate science as “junk science” on matters pertaining to health and environment, particularly secondhand smoke health impacts. Michaels was listed as an academic member on the ESEF's March 1998 working paper titled “Environmental Tobacco Smoke Revisited: The reliability of the evidence for risk of lung cancer and cardiovascular disease.” [11]

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2020, 03:16:10 PM »
In our two party system; the left, like the right, is not one monolithic entity. However, since the right is currently dominated by ethnic nationalists and predatory capitalists; they would have us believe the left consists mainly of globalist communists out to destroy America, Christianity, white people, and the free market system.

There are a significant number of socialists on the left. They are not communists because they do not want class warfare, violent revolution, a dicatorship  of the proletariat and so on. They call themselves Democratic Socialists and their agenda is not a secret:   

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.
https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/what-is-democratic-socialism/

Note this is not the same as social democracy. This is from a democratic socialist:

 Social democracies like Norway show that more humane, equitable, democratic societies are possible. But democratic socialists want to go beyond them.
https://jacobinmag.com/2018/08/democratic-socialism-social-democracy-nordic-countries

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2020, 03:18:56 PM »
Nichi is positively enamored with the idea of a functioning social democracy.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2020, 03:48:26 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 10, 2020, 03:18:56 PM
Nichi is positively enamored with the idea of a functioning social democracy.

I personally am disenamored with predatory capitalism.  Even at its ethical best, the invisible hand of capitalism does not produce an equitable supply of education, mass transportation, or healthcare. The tobacco hearings, the subprime mortgage scandals, Exxon’s climate science coverup and similar events  offer proof that private enterprise does not always act in its own or its customers best interest.

The role of government in a social democracy is to mitigate the shortcomings and abuses of private enterprise and free markets. Organized labor should have a seat at the table too.  Since all three are prone to corruption -- they are composed of humans -- there has to be checks and balances.   
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2020, 09:36:42 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 10, 2020, 03:16:10 PM
the right is currently dominated by ethnic nationalists

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2020, 10:15:27 PM »
You routinely—perhaps obsessively—rant against the actions and words of our elected officials, yet simultaneously plead for the elected officials within our government to intervene on a greater scale.

I don’t have an issue with the points you make, I guess I just have a hard time understanding how we get from point A to point B with the system as it currently exists.

I assume you think that the Democratic Party offers we the people the best opportunity to achieve your ideological concepts, but the best they can offer us is an addled, boring old man.

If there was ever a time for a legitimate third party candidate to step in, it would be now.
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