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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #930 on: April 18, 2021, 11:08:08 AM »
Nonetheless, the quotes were in her speech speaking to, speaking about, speaking in reference to the administrations 'intention to seek election' to the UN Human Rights Council.
She portrayed the US as a racist country founded in white supremacy; echoing the words of the Chinese government representatives to Blinken in Anchorage.
"And it's the bullying, discrimination, brutality, and violence that Asian Americans face every day".
"That's why the Biden-Harris administration has made racial equity a top priority ...."
Two days later, Biden's press secretary has no idea where Biden is when the 1st foreign leader to be greeted at the White House by this administration arrives.
Biden did, however, hail the 'Japanese boy' who won the Masters.
No doubt, that made the day for Japan's PM.
In our hopes to 'improve' Are we sticking with Uighur genocide now, and getting away from it's a difference in 'cultural norms' ?

C’mon man. Joe Biden is not Donald Trump, a fact which must be celebrated. Therefore he cannot be criticized in any way.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #931 on: April 18, 2021, 11:13:54 AM »
C’mon man. Joe Biden is not Donald Trump, a fact which must be celebrated. Therefore he cannot be criticized in any way.

This is dumb.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #932 on: April 18, 2021, 11:17:03 AM »
Just a little freedom of speech ....
In case the jury has doubts.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1383635117147451417

Peaceably assemble

It's not like she said to march on the courthouse and stop the verdict.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #933 on: April 18, 2021, 11:19:23 AM »
There is a lot to be said for not being Trump.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #934 on: April 18, 2021, 12:43:43 PM »
Nonetheless, the quotes were in her speech speaking to, speaking about, speaking in reference to the administrations 'intention to seek election' to the UN Human Rights Council.
She portrayed the US as a racist country founded in white supremacy; echoing the words of the Chinese government representatives to Blinken in Anchorage.
"And it's the bullying, discrimination, brutality, and violence that Asian Americans face every day".
"That's why the Biden-Harris administration has made racial equity a top priority ...."
Two days later, Biden's press secretary has no idea where Biden is when the 1st foreign leader to be greeted at the White House by this administration arrives.
Biden did, however, hail the 'Japanese boy' who won the Masters.
No doubt, that made the day for Japan's PM.
In our hopes to 'improve' Are we sticking with Uighur genocide now, and getting away from it's a difference in 'cultural norms' ?


The “Japanese boy” remark was wrong.   Biden did apologize.   

What I found encouraging were the Japanese prime minister’s comments after the meeting with Biden.   

“'I discussed the increase of discriminations or violences again Asian people across the U.S. with President Biden and agreed that discrimination by race cannot be permitted by any societies,' Suga said during the leaders' joint press conference in the White House Rose Garden. 'We agreed on this regard.'”

"'President Biden's comment [that] discriminations or violences cannot [be] allowed and that he firmly opposes was extremely encouraging for me and I have renewed my confidence in American democracy once again,' the Japanese leader added, through his English translator."

“Suga said the two leaders 'agreed on the necessity for each of us to engage in frank dialogue with China.'”

“'We also had serious talks on China's influence over the peace and prosperity over the Indo-Pacific and the world at large,' Suga said.”

“They also spoke about keeping North Korea's nuclear program in line.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/biden-calls-masters-winner-hideki-matsuyama-a-japanese-boy/ar-BB1fJNiN

Nice to have an adult back in charge who recognizes that the U.S. must work closely with its alliance networks to deal with foreign adversaries like China, Russia and North Korea.  No more “I alone can solve it,” “beautiful letters” or “stable genius” nonsense. 

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #935 on: April 18, 2021, 01:36:03 PM »
No more “I alone can solve it,” “beautiful letters” or “stable genius” nonsense.

It's shit like this that makes me curious about MAGAts generally, and our local idiots locally.

When people say "you're anti-Trump" I struggle to figure out what they could possibly like about Trump.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #936 on: April 18, 2021, 02:18:49 PM »
Just a little freedom of speech ....
In case the jury has doubts.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1383635117147451417
If there's juror misconduct that bad, none of this trial will matter, anyway, so it's not like not anyone benefits here.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #937 on: April 18, 2021, 02:30:38 PM »
She portrayed the US as a racist country founded in white supremacy; echoing the words of the Chinese government representatives to Blinken in Anchorage.
A sincere for the people who are right of me on this board: Why is the idea that our Founders were racist and their system of laws reflected their racism so damn triggering?

I can't think of anything that's so basic to American history and yet so bitterly denied by a certain mindset. There's no issue identifying most of the Founders as Christian and seeing the Christian influence in law, but you mention the racism that accompanied most of British Christianity in the 18th C. and it's like you've fucked someone's grandma.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #938 on: April 18, 2021, 04:05:54 PM »
As I see it, there are liberal positions, conservative positions, and the truth.

Some of the founders were christian, some were deists, some had evolving religious views.  It appears their views on race and ethnicity may also have evolved. Thinking people generally don't hold fixed views their entire lives. 

https://www.ushistory.org/franklin/essays/franklin_race.htm
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #939 on: April 18, 2021, 04:26:28 PM »
and it's like you've fucked someone's grandma.

Was she one of those younger grandmother types who started early or a Whistler's Mother type?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #940 on: April 18, 2021, 05:15:45 PM »
Is it me, or do I sense a holier than thou attitude from Japan and Europe?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #941 on: April 18, 2021, 05:53:13 PM »
Was she one of those younger grandmother types who started early or a Whistler's Mother type?
You know I hadn't thought about that part.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #942 on: April 18, 2021, 06:10:31 PM »
As I see it, there are liberal positions, conservative positions, and the truth.
If you're unwilling to admit that one of those two may be right on <factual issue x> and the other side, for whatever reason, wrong, you're practicing the world's laziest religion rather than any sort of good faith intellectual exercise.

The principal author of the Constitution was expressly a believer in the supremacy of European peoples over Native or African peoples. He declined freeing his slaves at his death almost 50 years later. Yeah, the abolition movement (which predated the Founding) continued and the 2nd Great Awakening and a bunch of other shit happened. So what?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #943 on: April 18, 2021, 07:45:31 PM »
Virtually every ethnic group has or had had some form of ethnocentrism, nativism, racism, xenophobia, etc. sewn into the fabric of their culture.  Japan has a long history of racism. The Ainu,  Okinawans, and Korean-Japanese (Zai-nihon-Chosen-jin) are among the targets of discrimination. The names for native Americans often translate as the Humans, original people, etc.; while names for other tribes might be the enemy, snakes, or some other pejorative. African tribes sold their captured rivals into slavery.

The United States is no exception. The form of chattel slavery practiced in the south was especially repugnant. As was the the Jim Crow era. Overall though, we have done better with ethnic diversity and multiculturalism than any other country.   

I imagine James Madison and probably the other founders did see their western European culture as superior to that of Africa and the native Americans. A belief in the values of western civilization remains a core of conservatism -- though there is division on what that means. 

The left is generally not as wrong as this issue as the right, but they get some things wrong. For example:   

"We used to count black Americans as 3/5 of a person. For reparations, give them 5/3 of a vote."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/21/we-used-to-count-black-americans-as-35-of-a-person-instead-of-reparations-give-them-53-of-a-vote/

If anyone read that; they know the author knows better. Granted, Madison argued that slaves were both persons and property, so 2/3 should be counted for purposes of the census. However, he was arguing that slaves were people too, not just property. Also, this argument was framed more than a year after Wilson proposed the 3/5 compromise. Moreover, it applied to slaves, not to black people.

 
Despite popular understandings, this provision did not declare that African Americans were three-fifths of a person. Rather, the provision declared that the slave states would get extra representation in Congress for their slaves, even though those states treated slaves purely as property.
https://www.theroot.com/three-fifths-clause-why-its-taint-persists-1790895387
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #944 on: April 18, 2021, 08:19:48 PM »
Linda Thomas-Greenfield went from the first in her family to graduate from high school to the US ambassador to the United Nations. That's a testament to education and her perseverance.
Educate the kids, give them an education and the skills to stay away from street gangs, dealing drugs, and a life of poverty. Give them the opportunity to support themselves and a family if they wish.
Develop social programs to reduce the number of single parent kids. The chance of a single parent kid living a life of poverty is high. Spend the money in our communities before sending it overseas to line the pockets of a politician's family, friends and donors.
Take care of the kids so that they can take care of theirs, and we can get away from blaming our social ills on a bunch of dudes from 250 years ago.
Give a kid a chance, and this is a country where someone can grow up to be a CEO of a company, a member of Congress or the Senate, a US Ambassador to the U.N. or President of the United States. It can be done here.