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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8190 on: September 20, 2025, 04:45:19 PM »
Reuters: "U.S. manufacturing contracted for a sixth straight month in August as factories dealt with the fallout from the Trump administration’s import tariffs, with some manufacturers describing the current business environment as “much worse than the Great Recession."
https://www.reuters.com/business/us-manufacturing-contracts-sixth-straight-month-amid-tariff-drag-2025-09-02/

Clearly, The Institute for Supply Management, which provided the data and survey, is a radical left woke organization offering fake data from sanctuary cities and manufacturing companies that hate America.......

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8191 on: September 21, 2025, 09:05:15 AM »
Left loves parroting lies about Charlie Kirk to try and control the narrative, glad there are people speaking truth about it. Everything Tempo knows about CK he learned from memes and carefully edited material.

https://x.com/thatskaizen/status/1969460809161195551?s=46

https://www.wired.com/story/charlie-kirk-tpusa-mlk-civil-rights-act/
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8192 on: September 22, 2025, 03:03:02 PM »
Socialist Freddie DeBoer agrees with “Republican” PAMan and not Socialist Tempo!

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For years, I’ve made my living as a within-group critic of the left. This status is never 100% intentional. As I’ve said a thousand times, all of my positions both feel internally consistent to me and reflect what I see as the left-wing perspective. Free speech, for example, is a left-wing virtue; it’s not my fault that a lot of people who identify as left-wing lost that basic wisdom in their manic efforts to appear to be One of the Good Ones. And as I’ve also pointed out a thousand times, “a socialist critiques identity politics” is a dog-bites-man story, the opposite of contrarianism. Socialists have been critiquing identity politics forever. And ultimately the point is always the same: I think we have the potential to be a far more progressive country than we currently are, in many key policy areas like entitlements and healthcare, but left-of-center messaging is stuck in a quagmire of abstruse vocabulary and alienating cultural practices. I stand by every word. The left's internal contradictions remain one of the most frustrating and self-defeating dynamics in modern American politics.
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« Reply #8193 on: September 22, 2025, 05:11:28 PM »
I don’t really disagree with any of that. I’m pretty certain he’s not advocating for tacking to the center. It’s that our messaging sucks.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8194 on: September 22, 2025, 05:39:53 PM »
Socialist Freddie DeBoer agrees with “Republican” PAMan and not Socialist Tempo!

that's some woke hoity toity shit. What Ivy League school did that word salad generator go to?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8195 on: September 22, 2025, 05:40:38 PM »
Socialist Freddie DeBoer agrees with “Republican” PAMan and not Socialist Tempo!

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8196 on: September 22, 2025, 08:04:53 PM »
Left loves parroting lies about Charlie Kirk to try and control the narrative, glad there are people speaking truth about it. Everything Tempo knows about CK he learned from memes and carefully edited material.

https://x.com/thatskaizen/status/1969460809161195551?s=46

In many respects, Kirk was a pretty run of the mill shallow right winger who brought fame and fortune throwing rhetorical hand grenades and using cheap theartrics.  He know exactly what he was doing going to college campuses and saying racist and homophobic shit and recording the reactions for his podcasts.  It was entertainment for MAGA Land.

He wasn't really any different than Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones.  People who saw a market for selling hate and figured they would exploit that for their own personal gain. 

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8197 on: September 22, 2025, 08:29:18 PM »
I don’t really disagree with any of that. I’m pretty certain he’s not advocating for tacking to the center. It’s that our messaging sucks.

Enten throwing out warning signs for mid terms as the Dems numbers on crime, inmigration, and the economy are all under water conpared to the GOP..... Despite 63% thinking Trump js an idiot..
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8198 on: September 22, 2025, 09:43:08 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8199 on: September 22, 2025, 10:04:38 PM »
In many respects, Kirk was a pretty run of the mill shallow right winger who brought fame and fortune throwing rhetorical hand grenades and using cheap theartrics.  He know exactly what he was doing going to college campuses and saying racist and homophobic shit and recording the reactions for his podcasts.  It was entertainment for MAGA Land.

He wasn't really any different than Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones.  People who saw a market for selling hate and figured they would exploit that for their own personal gain.

Yeah, he didn’t do much, except awaken a huge movement of young conservatives (especially on college campuses) that had been almost completely suppressed the last 20+ years. His death cemented that legacy and gave the movement even more motivation.

Let’s be honest, you don’t even really care about the supposed “homophobic” and “racist” comments…you just got those from memes and carefully edited material. Zero percent chance you’ve ever watched any of his actual material. You hated him because he was effective at eroding the heart and soul of the leftist bastions—kids being indoctrinated in leftism by federally funded institutions. OF COURSE you have to discredit him. OF COURSE you have to accuse him of vile things. Because his success hit you where it hurts the most.

Nobody worked harder to change people’s minds in a peaceful way than Charlie Kirk. He lived a life on the road practicing civil discourse and in doing so won a huge following of young people that will shape the nation for a couple of generations. OF COURSE you’re mad. The left doesn’t have anyone like him, half the left has their fingers in their ears screaming about Trump and the other half tears down statues and burns down businesses. And now that he’s gone, there will about 10 more that take his place.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8200 on: September 22, 2025, 10:11:50 PM »
Closes eyes, covers ears, says you're just mad cuz he was so successful. That's all.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8201 on: September 22, 2025, 10:20:57 PM »
Closes eyes, covers ears, says you're just mad cuz he was so successful. That's all.

The left couldn’t compete with Charlie on the front lines. It was like IU vs Illini football. Even importing millions of people and giving them free shit didn’t keep the Democrats in power.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5513327-gen-z-voter-shift/amp/
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« Reply #8202 on: September 22, 2025, 11:08:11 PM »
Yeah, he didn’t do much, except awaken a huge movement of young conservatives (especially on college campuses) that had been almost completely suppressed the last 20+ years. His death cemented that legacy and gave the movement even more motivation.

How can you be so obtuse? Is it intentional?

A piece of stale bread could activate college men these days. They got fucked up by COVID, and then landed in a marginal job market. Kirk happened to hit his stride while coincidentally a Democrat was in the white house. The current crop was going to be pretty fucked as it was, and now Trump is making it substantially worse. In the end, they'll vote for Democrats just to throw the bums out because their lives are fucked up. Ironically - if Trump had just not been so fucking awful with the economy, it would have muddled along just enough that those guys would have some beer money and sit out the election. If they are really fucked - they'll vote, and they won't vote for the incumbents.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8203 on: September 22, 2025, 11:13:43 PM »
You hated him because he was effective at eroding the heart and soul of the leftist bastions—kids being indoctrinated in leftism by federally funded institutions.

Ah yes, the Kari Lake canard. But of course while she rags on Universities, she sent her kids to college. Her daughter went to a private College Prep school because Kari wanted "the best" for her. Her kid gets into Harvard, she'd be delirious.

Her latest good one is that she says we send our "precious little children to college and they get indoctrinated and come back hating their parents". Got news for you Kari. 22 year old kids ALL hate their parents. Most of them actually love their parents deep down, but they sure as hell don't act like it. And frankly, they aren't so goddamn precious when they head off to college either. Or maybe Kari Lake is the only parent in America who never had to chase down their kid who went to a late night kegger without calling home. Leo and Ruby Lake a.k.a. Puff the Magic Teenagers.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8204 on: September 23, 2025, 07:12:27 AM »
It's good to see the right wing suddenly gives a rat's ass about context. It didn't matter one bit when Obama said "You didn't build that."
Why didn't he say 'you didn't build them' if he was talking about roads and infrastructure ?