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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7485 on: May 13, 2025, 08:35:20 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 13, 2025, 08:29:10 PM
Wonder why, since he isn't a Democrat.

PAMan seems to be on the record supporting fixed Democratic elections. That checks out.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7486 on: May 13, 2025, 08:36:31 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 13, 2025, 08:29:10 PM
Wonder why, since he isn't a Democrat.

They wanted to distract everyone from the fact that the 2016 primaries were actually HRCs coronation.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7487 on: May 13, 2025, 08:37:38 PM »
The Dems don’t believe in elections. They believe in “turns.” The only one with the gravitas to bump that tradition was Obama.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7488 on: May 13, 2025, 09:04:28 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7489 on: May 13, 2025, 09:12:52 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on May 13, 2025, 09:04:28 PM
nope

There is a. rationale, albeit flawed, for 2016.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7490 on: May 13, 2025, 10:36:02 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on May 13, 2025, 10:55:13 AM
Looking more and more like a total breakdown of facing the obvious.  A mess of their own making that includes Biden, his family, senior DC staff and congressional leaders.

Mn and I were on top of this about a year and a half ago, yet we are the ones living in the info bubble?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7491 on: May 13, 2025, 10:39:41 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on May 13, 2025, 10:21:59 AM
Exclusive: Biden aides discussed wheelchair use if he were re-elected

Biden has done a pretty good job at destroying the Democrats, more info is coming out to hopefully finish the job with any true believers. Yes, it was important to get Trump out of there in 2020, but Biden running in 2020 was irresponsible, let alone in 2024. What a narcissistic fuck.

Now if Trump can finish his job of breaking the fever that is still stuck in the brains of the Mn's of the world, we can dispense with these two parties and get something useful from the ashes.

It really is the end game - you go from a place that is sort of messy and people step up and form a government to build a society, but eventually enough narcissists figure out they can get a lot of money and prestige for themselves personally and run for office to "have a career" or "make money" instead of "build society", and eventually that results in a big swampy mess.

I am not sure if there actually is a path for some fairly smart cookies to jump in there with some new blood, pick off the detritus of people who really just want to govern and don't see it as a path to filthy lucre for themselves, but the opening is surely there.

https://www.axios.com/2025/05/13/biden-book-wheelchair-2024-campaign-original-sin

You and I have been on the same page for about a year on the disaster that has unfolded around Biden and what it’s done to the party. Quality candidates from both parties is good for the country.


Your last paragraph is interesting, because about half the country believes that is exactly what Trump and Musk are doing. The other half lives in a TDS echo chamber.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7492 on: May 14, 2025, 12:02:31 AM »
I think Trump and Musk are doing something. I just don't think it's good.

Trump has expanded Hamilton's Unitary Executive concept well beyond the original intent.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7493 on: May 14, 2025, 12:10:22 AM »
Quote from: Custard on May 13, 2025, 10:39:41 PM
You and I have been on the same page for about a year on the disaster that has unfolded around Biden and what it’s done to the party. Quality candidates from both parties is good for the country.


Your last paragraph is interesting, because about half the country believes that is exactly what Trump and Musk are doing. The other half lives in a TDS echo chamber.

Trump was President from 2016-2020. He's not new blood. Well, he probably has new blood, because he has young men brought into the Lincoln Bedroom nightly for full blood transfusions, but that's not my point.

Nobody believes in Musk. The people that did, don't believe in him anymore, the other half never did because electric cars no go vroom vroom drill baby drill.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7494 on: May 14, 2025, 12:21:13 AM »
Quote from: Custard on May 13, 2025, 10:39:41 PM
You and I have been on the same page for about a year on the disaster that has unfolded around Biden and what it’s done to the party. Quality candidates from both parties is good for the country.

This is nonsense.

I was very much against Biden in the 2020 primaries, probably more than Tempo. Even before he stepped on the debate stage (not 2024 - in 2020) and he looked very doddering. The rest of the field was sort of meh. I like Buttigieg, but he's more seasoned now than in 2020. I like Bernie's concepts but I'm not sure about his leadership. Jay Inslee knows a lot but has just enough charisma to get elected Governor in a wonky state and no more.

But the only disaster that unfolded around Biden was the shielding of his decline and the resultant chaos that led to Harris being the nominee (suboptimal even if she won) and Trump winning (very suboptimal result). A lot of times, all you have to do to keep the US humming along is not get in the way. What really happened under Biden? We passed a big bill to do some infrastructure. That's an a priori good thing.

This border stuff is BS. People have found there way into the US in illegal ways for decades. There are all sorts of scary scary anecdotes about how something bad came out of it. But it's sort of like getting on a commercial plane. If the plane crashes and you die - does that mean that there is a crisis? It's a crisis for *you* and the rest of the passengers on that plane. Everyone else just hops on a plane and gets to their destination and we are all better off for that capability. If we banned the planes - now THAT would be a crisis.

Biden didn't change the status quo from Trump appreciably, Trump didn't change it appreciably from Obama or from Biden. B reel of ICE agents rounding up a "bad hombre" or mistakenly rounding up an "hombre who isn't particularly bad, but is here nonetheless illegally" doesn't mean "THE BORDER IS SHUT". It's still business as usual. Don't believe me, wander over to Home Depot.

We are so much better off for the people coming in writ large, that the real solution is just to be more aggressive in opening legal pathways to guest workers such that illegal entry makes no sense. Then we would get an equilibrium and save a ton of money producing weird ass B reel.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7495 on: May 14, 2025, 06:21:04 AM »
Quote from: Custard on May 13, 2025, 10:36:02 PM
Mn and I were on top of this about a year and a half ago, yet we are the ones living in the info bubble?
I'm enjoying the 'there's nothing wrong with Joe he has a stutter and he's sharp as a tack' media laying blame on the Biden family and the administration for the cover-up that the media covered up.

'If we would have had a clue, anything, we would have followed our solemn duty to report. We saw nothing. We was duped and we're going to call them out on this '
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7496 on: May 14, 2025, 07:45:26 AM »
Quote from: Custard’s Uber Driver on May 13, 2025, 08:34:16 PM
They let him think he was running, but in reality he wasn’t.

Maybe he should have been a Democrat.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7497 on: May 14, 2025, 07:48:39 AM »
Quote from: Custard’s Uber Driver on May 13, 2025, 08:35:20 PM
PAMan seems to be on the record supporting fixed Democratic elections. That checks out.

He's not a Democrat and neither of you. So, both of you can go fuck yourselves and stay out of Democratic Business. Time to get the rest of the loser Progressive scum out of the party as well.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7498 on: May 14, 2025, 09:05:43 AM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7499 on: May 14, 2025, 11:01:23 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on May 14, 2025, 06:21:04 AM
I'm enjoying the 'there's nothing wrong with Joe he has a stutter and he's sharp as a tack' media laying blame on the Biden family and the administration for the cover-up that the media covered up.

'If we would have had a clue, anything, we would have followed our solemn duty to report. We saw nothing. We was duped and we're going to call them out on this '
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The real shit heads here are the people on this Democratic bench who probably knew all this shit and didn't just announce a primary challenge in 2023 and end this nonsense. It would not have taken long for Biden to show no momentum in the polls, and the Jim Clyburns and Nancy Pelosi types would have jumped off the Biden ship.

Everyone knew. But people were so afraid of Trump - rightfully so - that their brains shut down and they took what they thought was the "risk averse" play which was actually a dead end play. Frankly they got lucky that Trump didn't really navigate COVID so much as it navigated him, that Biden snuck by in 2020.

The presence of Biden and the people who were too chicken shit to just go get a decent candidate does not make Trump a good one. We are seeing this now - Trump has altered the US Tariff policy 55 times in 30 days. For no good reason other than the color of his shit that morning. Even if somehow we end up with a coherent and useful trade policy going forwards, the whipsaw has done extensive permanent damage.

Trump is pathetic. At this point he's far more dangerous than Biden. Biden was a doddering guy past his prime with a top notch staff and the adminstration was mostly harmless. Trump is demented but still physically able to get around and speak for the most part, making it possible for him to do actual real damage, and his staff is useless and also will cowtow to his stupidity hoping to leverage it for "something".
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