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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7140 on: February 22, 2025, 08:40:32 AM »
Hey custard, there’s no doubt in my mind that you know more about climate science than 97% of the world’s climate scientists. Zero doubt.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7141 on: February 22, 2025, 09:38:15 AM »
Hey custard, there’s no doubt in my mind that you know more about climate science than 97% of the world’s climate scientists. Zero doubt.

What have I said that’s at odds with 97% of the world’s climate scientists?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7142 on: February 22, 2025, 09:40:26 AM »
I think they think the threat is more severe than you do. And a bit more human activity centric than just weather cycles.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7143 on: February 22, 2025, 11:23:39 AM »
We’ve been down this road before but the 97% “consensus” is that there is at least some degree of man made climate change. Within that 97% there are many different schools of thought, models, and projected outcomes. There is still a lot we are learning about weather patterns and long term cooling and warming cycles.

There’s a school of thought now that the much cooler climate we got used to in the 50s-early 80s (when we first really started getting into more modern weather data collection) was actually a result of pollution and when we really started cleaning up the particulate matter the temp started rising.

Most of my life I have been bombarded by alarmist climate rhetoric and doomsday predictions that never materialize. I think it’s ludicrous to think we don’t have any impact, but I’m also a little skeptical that while the warming trend of the past 13,000 years has been overwhelmingly positive for humanity that another degree or two is all of a sudden going to be cataclysmic.

The other thing to consider is that the climate will inevitably change even if we do absolutely nothing to impact it. It’s not like what we’ve had the last hundred years is what it’s always been or always will be. It’s just a snapshot in an every evolving cycle.

When we had the Little Ice Age a few hundred years ago it made life in the northern latitudes pretty damn difficult. But people adapted and survived. I suspect we’ll run out of oil or replace it well before Florida is underwater. In the meantime we’ve gotta survive the threat of WWIII, the terrible state of our domestic food system, and the horrors of DOGE.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7144 on: February 22, 2025, 01:51:51 PM »
We’ve been down this road before but the 97% “consensus” is that there is at least some degree of man made climate change. Within that 97% there are many different schools of thought, models, and projected outcomes. There is still a lot we are learning about weather patterns and long term cooling and warming cycles.

There’s a school of thought now that the much cooler climate we got used to in the 50s-early 80s (when we first really started getting into more modern weather data collection) was actually a result of pollution and when we really started cleaning up the particulate matter the temp started rising.

Most of my life I have been bombarded by alarmist climate rhetoric and doomsday predictions that never materialize. I think it’s ludicrous to think we don’t have any impact, but I’m also a little skeptical that while the warming trend of the past 13,000 years has been overwhelmingly positive for humanity that another degree or two is all of a sudden going to be cataclysmic.

The other thing to consider is that the climate will inevitably change even if we do absolutely nothing to impact it. It’s not like what we’ve had the last hundred years is what it’s always been or always will be. It’s just a snapshot in an every evolving cycle.

When we had the Little Ice Age a few hundred years ago it made life in the northern latitudes pretty damn difficult. But people adapted and survived. I suspect we’ll run out of oil or replace it well before Florida is underwater. In the meantime we’ve gotta survive the threat of WWIII, the terrible state of our domestic food system, and the horrors of DOGE.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7145 on: February 22, 2025, 02:47:16 PM »
A guy who drives an internal combustion engine car for a living while preaching that the earth is dying due to greenhouse gases has no business mocking anyone for their climate science.

That's not fair. You gotta play the game by the rules. Trumpers drive on government roads.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7146 on: February 22, 2025, 03:19:38 PM »
That's not fair. You gotta play the game by the rules. Trumpers drive on government roads.

Huh? Pointing out Tempo drives a polluting car for a living and contributing to Trump via his The Twotter and The Face Gram usage isn't fair game?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7147 on: February 22, 2025, 03:31:54 PM »
Huh? Pointing out Tempo drives a polluting car for a living and contributing to Trump via his The Twotter and The Face Gram usage isn't fair game?

Anyone living on the grid is contributing to global warming.

People who oppose taxes still use the things taxes pay for.

People who want to defund the police still call the cops.

Most of us are hypocritical to some extent.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7148 on: February 22, 2025, 03:47:15 PM »
Anyone living on the grid is contributing to global warming.

People who oppose taxes still use the things taxes pay for.

People who want to defund the police still call the cops.

Most of us are hypocritical to some extent.

But not as self righteous though
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7149 on: February 22, 2025, 03:52:45 PM »
Unimpressed.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7150 on: February 22, 2025, 04:00:37 PM »
How do you know what kind of car I drive? If I said electrical Custard would probably hit me with the “that’s even worse for the environment!” trope.

As Ray says, gotta play the game by the rules. Unless I become a mountain man and live off the land I’m going to be contributing to climate change. Even if I drove a pedicab I’d still be contributing. Doesn’t mean that I can’t support the cause where practical, and especially doesn’t mean I can’t be for investing in the science that can help us save or do less harm to our planet. This is basically the “you want to help immigrants and the poor?! Why don’t you take them into your house?!” strawman.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7151 on: February 22, 2025, 07:48:59 PM »
How do you know what kind of car I drive? If I said electrical Custard would probably hit me with the “that’s even worse for the environment!” trope.

As Ray says, gotta play the game by the rules. Unless I become a mountain man and live off the land I’m going to be contributing to climate change. Even if I drove a pedicab I’d still be contributing. Doesn’t mean that I can’t support the cause where practical, and especially doesn’t mean I can’t be for investing in the science that can help us save or do less harm to our planet. This is basically the “you want to help immigrants and the poor?! Why don’t you take them into your house?!” strawman.

If you really cared about the environment you’d drive a rickshaw around Wrigleyville.
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« Reply #7152 on: February 22, 2025, 08:44:45 PM »
I pick up cans and garbage in all my spare time. And filter streams and lakes with my Brita.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7153 on: February 23, 2025, 08:08:10 AM »
Now she has time to die in a plane crash.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7154 on: February 23, 2025, 08:12:20 AM »
Now she has time to die in a plane crash.

https://archive.is/AZYp4

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Good. Maybe MSNBC will be worth tuning into again.
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