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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6360 on: November 06, 2024, 09:10:24 PM »
It’s like comparing John Wayne Gacey to a petty thief.

Which proves my point that it’s ok for him to lie, he’s your guy and it wasn’t as many lies as the other guy.

He was selected to be this hokey good old midwestern boy to appeal to middle American voters, so the lying really blew a hole in that charade.

Also most other middle Americans saw just exactly wtf was allowed to happen under his watch in MSP in 2020.

But anyways, “my politician lies but he lies less than the other politician” is a perfect summary of how low we’ve set the bar
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6361 on: November 06, 2024, 09:10:45 PM »
There’s no double standard about protecting Walz lies and decrying Trump’s?

Trump tells substantial, self serving lies about current events. Virtually nobody cares..

Walz gets dates mixed up from an event 35 years ago. Somehow, this is a big deal.

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Trump told Tucker Carlson that Dick Cheney hated W for refusing to pardon Scooter Libby. Claims Cheney approached him about it. Trump being a great guy, granted the pardon.

In the real world, W commuted Libby's prison sentence, but did not grant the full pardon. Years later, a key witness recanted her testimony. Victoria Toensing contacted White Counsel to arrange a pardon. Trump  didn't mention any of that.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6362 on: November 06, 2024, 09:29:50 PM »
fuck man half the country cares that he lies. That’s part of why they hate him. We can, as adults, acknowledge there is some  level of irony in the fact that Walz has lied and the same people mad about the lying just act like it’s fine because he’s not Trump. Plus you keep saying he misspoke or accidentally had the wrong dates. Nonsense.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6363 on: November 06, 2024, 09:36:45 PM »
Which proves my point that it’s ok for him to lie, he’s your guy and it wasn’t as many lies as the other guy.

it's not ok, you just have to choose based on that. Are you new here?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6364 on: November 06, 2024, 09:43:21 PM »
fuck man half the country cares that he lies. That’s part of why they hate him. We can, as adults, acknowledge there is some  level of irony in the fact that Walz has lied and the same people mad about the lying just act like it’s fine because he’s not Trump. Plus you keep saying he misspoke or accidentally had the wrong dates. Nonsense.

One of the things that I think was a bad framing by "The Democrats" (not like it would have taken hold or that anyone would care) is that you can't even tell when he's lying.  Half of the so called policy shit he threw up against the wall is going to vanish like a whisper in the wind. A bunch of people getting all jacked up that their tips or overtime aren't going to be taxed - I'd put the chances of him even trying to get Congress to put that in at maybe 10%. Major US Companies are trying to figure out right now if he's serious about the tariffs, and making wagers into the billions based on that guesswork.

That's the sort of thing that chokes an economy - complete chaos and uncertainty.

I wonder if Harris had said in the debate "he said he will do X, Y, Z - but we don't really know if he will do it or not, we'll just find out later, maybe he was serious, maybe he doesn't remember what he said, maybe he said that you didn't understand what he meant. He says he won't tax tips, but Mike Johnson will never put that on the floor, so it will never get to his desk. If it got to his desk, he might just veto it. Who knows!"

That probably would have been a lot better than trolling him on crowd size. Because then Trump would have had to take a clear stand on the biggest stage that people would remember. "concepts of plans" indeed.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6365 on: November 06, 2024, 10:30:00 PM »
One thing I think a lot of TDS sufferers miss is that a lot of what he says is sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek, straight up dry humor. He’s a businessman and a showman. He knows what appeals to his audience and he says it in spades. That’s what people who want to win an election do. The left takes everything he says as literal, parses it, and loses their fucking minds while their candidates sit at home wondering what the fuck happened.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6366 on: November 07, 2024, 12:55:55 AM »
One thing I think a lot of TDS sufferers miss is that a lot of what he says is sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek, straight up dry humor. He’s a businessman and a showman. He knows what appeals to his audience and he says it in spades. That’s what people who want to win an election do. The left takes everything he says as literal, parses it, and loses their fucking minds while their candidates sit at home wondering what the fuck happened.

If you are an independent - neither the TDS left or the MAGA base - and he says "I will eliminate taxes on tips"

Is it literal, or straight up dry humor? Is it a real proposal, or just a random pander?

We're gonna deport em all. Literal or straight up dry humor? Are all the MAGAs in the Jordan Klepper videos in on the joke?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6367 on: November 07, 2024, 01:01:48 AM »
One thing I think a lot of TDS sufferers miss is that a lot of what he says is sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek, straight up dry humor. He’s a businessman and a showman. He knows what appeals to his audience and he says it in spades. That’s what people who want to win an election do. The left takes everything he says as literal, parses it, and loses their fucking minds while their candidates sit at home wondering what the fuck happened.

The better example of course being tariffs. Pretty much any legitimate economist says they would be horrible. But you get on CNBC, and the hosts and some known economist say "these tariffs would be horrible" and Kevin O'Leary just goes on a rant about how China has been ripping us off. I think O'Leary is a dipstick (he made his money by buying a two bit children's software company and re-selling it to Mattel, almost taking Mattel down in the process). But he's well known, has a real brand. Is he being tongue-in-cheek? Are the tariffs real or just a joke? Plenty of people cited the tariffs as a key reason to vote for Trump.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6368 on: November 07, 2024, 08:59:10 AM »
Or a carjacker to a 7 year old split in half by a bomb.

LOL.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6369 on: November 07, 2024, 09:01:37 AM »
One thing I think a lot of TDS sufferers miss is that a lot of what he says is sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek, straight up dry humor. He’s a businessman and a showman. He knows what appeals to his audience and he says it in spades. That’s what people who want to win an election do. The left takes everything he says as literal, parses it, and loses their fucking minds while their candidates sit at home wondering what the fuck happened.
I get it. But they are better prepared this time around. There are those around him who believe what he says and are going to do their best to enact it. Are you prepared for his dreams becoming a reality?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6370 on: November 07, 2024, 09:07:03 AM »
One thing I think a lot of TDS sufferers miss is that a lot of what he says is sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek, straight up dry humor. He’s a businessman and a showman. He knows what appeals to his audience and he says it in spades. That’s what people who want to win an election do. The left takes everything he says as literal, parses it, and loses their fucking minds while their candidates sit at home wondering what the fuck happened.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6371 on: November 07, 2024, 09:38:17 AM »
If you are an independent - neither the TDS left or the MAGA base - and he says "I will eliminate taxes on tips"

Is it literal, or straight up dry humor? Is it a real proposal, or just a random pander?

We're gonna deport em all. Literal or straight up dry humor? Are all the MAGAs in the Jordan Klepper videos in on the joke?

Pretty sure they’ll eliminate taxes on tips. It’s not very feasible to round up all the illegals. I would guess they’ll work to secure the border and round up some known criminals and such to make a show of it, but I think the “deport em all” thing was said with about the same level of seriousness as “lock her up” 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6372 on: November 07, 2024, 09:47:38 AM »
I get it. But they are better prepared this time around. There are those around him who believe what he says and are going to do their best to enact it. Are you prepared for his dreams becoming a reality?

A lot of his “dreams” are fever dreams of the left, who have been brainwashed by 8 years of “basically Hitler” left wing propaganda.

But yes I am prepared to have secure borders, deported criminals, laws actually being enforced, government being less wasteful, taxes going down, the economy humming along, fewer foreign wars with less American involvement, and no men in women’s sports.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6373 on: November 07, 2024, 09:55:18 AM »
A lot of his “dreams” are fever dreams of the left, who have been brainwashed by 8 years of “basically Hitler” left wing propaganda.

But yes I am prepared to have secure borders, deported criminals, laws actually being enforced, government being less wasteful, taxes going down, the economy humming along, fewer foreign wars with less American involvement, and no men in women’s sports.

Well, we've got 4 years to see if he can pull this off

I'm just hoping this all leads to the purge of The Squad and other terrorist supporting Progressive Scum from the Dem party and a focus on real issues as opposed to pronouns.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6374 on: November 07, 2024, 10:08:17 AM »
Pretty sure they’ll eliminate taxes on tips. It’s not very feasible to round up all the illegals. I would guess they’ll work to secure the border and round up some known criminals and such to make a show of it, but I think the “deport em all” thing was said with about the same level of seriousness as “lock her up”

I think if Trump felt he could actually accomplish it and have actually gotten away with it, he probably would have “locked her up.” Even Trump wasn’t dumb enough to try.
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