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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5490 on: August 13, 2024, 03:56:56 PM »
Yes traveling from South SF to the airport on Niners night on a narrow peninsula was a bad idea

Thankfully all those Silicon Valley people work from home so Niners night games don't conflict with commute traffic! Oh wait, those empty office buildings are a blight!

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5491 on: August 13, 2024, 03:58:35 PM »
Let’s be honest the tech boom made a bunch of people who either live or want to  live there very rich and it’s the sheer money supply that’s driving demand, not volumes of people

So if there are 10 houses, and 7 families, but the 7 families are very very rich - they will pay more for the house they buy just because they are very very rich, even though they could be negotiating against the sellers who have an oversupply of an asset?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5492 on: August 13, 2024, 05:59:24 PM »
So if there are 10 houses, and 7 families, but the 7 families are very very rich - they will pay more for the house they buy just because they are very very rich, even though they could be negotiating against the sellers who have an oversupply of an asset?

No it’s more like the post-pandemic inflation. There was a huge infusion of cash with limited supply which drove prices through the roof. Difficult and very expensive to build in the Bay Area even if you have the land (they aren’t making any more of it) so value of existing supply has gone through the roof in lockstep with the minting of new millionaires. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5493 on: August 13, 2024, 10:18:24 PM »
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« Reply #5494 on: August 13, 2024, 10:35:31 PM »
No it’s more like the post-pandemic inflation. There was a huge infusion of cash with limited supply which drove prices through the roof. Difficult and very expensive to build in the Bay Area even if you have the land (they aren’t making any more of it) so value of existing supply has gone through the roof in lockstep with the minting of new millionaires.

housing prices have been flat to down since COVID started. The house we just bought, we paid the exact same price as the seller paid 4 years ago.

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« Reply #5495 on: August 13, 2024, 10:42:54 PM »
I was comparing the mechanism of SF housing market to post-pandemic inflation, not saying that it had anything to do with post-pandemic inflation. Tons of tech people have fled the area since 2020 with the ability to work remote and get a lot more for their money, which has taken some pressure off the local market.
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« Reply #5496 on: August 14, 2024, 11:31:34 AM »
I was comparing the mechanism of SF housing market to post-pandemic inflation, not saying that it had anything to do with post-pandemic inflation. Tons of tech people have fled the area since 2020 with the ability to work remote and get a lot more for their money, which has taken some pressure off the local market.

Like anything, the housing market here is a function of supply and demand. There is a lot of demand because there are good jobs here. Supply is artificially constrained because entrenched homeowners don't want growth (NIMBY) and they benefit from the supply/demand inbalance (their house goes up in value). Everyone could be a billionaire but prices could still be low if there was enough supply. Even if people don't have a ton of money, homes will go up in price if there is more demand than supply, as people are just required to shift their money to housing from other spending possibilities in order to acquire scarce housing.

"Tons of tech people" haven't really fled the area, and those that have, have been replaced - there's still a net increase in highly paid tech workers. The market has stabilized because a lot of people who *don't* have that sort of compensation packages are leaving. The most acute area I've been exposed to is teachers. My son had three spanish teachers last year, and his school was operating down 1-2 math teachers, and cut some other programs.

It causes huge problems, driving a lot of people to private schools where they can throw money at faculty more easily via donations, whereas it's a trickier process to do so in the public schools because a tax increase impacts the entire population, not just the wealthy. And it's not acceptable to say, have big donations for an art program at one school in the district while the other school needs to cut art, when you have districts with multiple schools that have big disparities in income in their catchment - which you then get parents trying to sever the districts in order to remove this problem and build a "private public school. That then causes the next level where you have "homeless" people living in RVs on the street in the wealthier district in order to get their kids into that public school.

Income disparity is a bitch

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5497 on: August 14, 2024, 01:07:23 PM »
Sounds like they need to tax the wealthy more
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5498 on: August 14, 2024, 01:13:08 PM »
Sounds like they need to tax the wealthy more

98% sure you mean this in jest, but yes, no-brainer.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5499 on: August 14, 2024, 01:34:42 PM »
98% sure you mean this in jest, but yes, no-brainer.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5500 on: August 14, 2024, 02:02:14 PM »
Like anything, the housing market here is a function of supply and demand. There is a lot of demand because there are good jobs here. Supply is artificially constrained because entrenched homeowners don't want growth (NIMBY) and they benefit from the supply/demand inbalance (their house goes up in value). Everyone could be a billionaire but prices could still be low if there was enough supply. Even if people don't have a ton of money, homes will go up in price if there is more demand than supply, as people are just required to shift their money to housing from other spending possibilities in order to acquire scarce housing.

"Tons of tech people" haven't really fled the area, and those that have, have been replaced - there's still a net increase in highly paid tech workers. The market has stabilized because a lot of people who *don't* have that sort of compensation packages are leaving. The most acute area I've been exposed to is teachers. My son had three spanish teachers last year, and his school was operating down 1-2 math teachers, and cut some other programs.

It causes huge problems, driving a lot of people to private schools where they can throw money at faculty more easily via donations, whereas it's a trickier process to do so in the public schools because a tax increase impacts the entire population, not just the wealthy. And it's not acceptable to say, have big donations for an art program at one school in the district while the other school needs to cut art, when you have districts with multiple schools that have big disparities in income in their catchment - which you then get parents trying to sever the districts in order to remove this problem and build a "private public school. That then causes the next level where you have "homeless" people living in RVs on the street in the wealthier district in order to get their kids into that public school.

Income disparity is a bitch

It seems California has faced a housing shortage for decades, particularly for low and middle-income residents.  The state's housing supply has not kept pace with demand, and the state has fallen short of building the number of new units needed each year. 
https://www.hcd.ca.gov/policy-and-research/addressing-variety-housing-challenges

And yes, the housing shortage is partly due to restrictive zoning policies and regulations at the local level, making it extremely hard to build affordable housing.   Maybe Costco can help address the problem.
https://www.sfgate.com/la/article/costco-housing-apartments-south-la-19541521.php


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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5501 on: August 14, 2024, 02:07:15 PM »
California and Arizona are also going to run out of water. And all the frogs are turning gay.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5502 on: August 14, 2024, 02:28:04 PM »
You would think the Hamas supporters would be glad the DNC delegates won't be able to see them rioting and chanting dumb ass shit. If they got a look at them, they would be turned off by them and unsupportive of their positions. The Beatles even told us that marching and rioting is counter-productive to getting normal people to agree with you.
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« Reply #5503 on: August 14, 2024, 02:30:22 PM »
You would think the Hamas supporters would be glad the DNC delegates won't be able to see them rioting and chanting dumb ass shit. If they got a look at them, they would be turned off by them and unsupportive of their positions. The Beatles even told us that marching and rioting is counter-productive to getting normal people to agree with you.

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« Reply #5504 on: August 14, 2024, 02:32:43 PM »
I'm pretty upset about that, to be honest.
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