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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4860 on: March 21, 2024, 01:07:23 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 21, 2024, 09:21:45 AM
I fear that poor Ray has morphed into a whataboutism and false equivalency bot.

I googled, and epoch times appears to be the source for the redacted document claim.

So dismissing credible science is cool, but questioning his sources is whataboutism? Whatever
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4861 on: March 21, 2024, 01:08:35 PM »
Tell us again exactly how Elon eviscerated Don?

I actually watched the video. That's the first time I have seen Don Lemon apart from Fox hit pieces.

I thought Lemon was more cordial and a lot more accurate on points of contention. A fact check confirms the latter.

The former is more a matter of personal taste. I prefer a polite discussion.

What about that?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4862 on: March 21, 2024, 01:36:55 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 21, 2024, 01:07:23 PM
I googled, and epoch times appears to be the source for the redacted document claim.

So dismissing credible science is cool, but questioning his sources is whataboutism? Whatever

Janae Shamp is the Chair of an Arizona legislature committee. Watching the video, I would assume that she truely is in possession of the 148 pages.

But carry on with your Google source.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1769793776745087004
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4863 on: March 21, 2024, 01:45:18 PM »
Quote from: No one on March 20, 2024, 08:24:24 AM
A FOIA request to the CDC resulted in the release of 148 pages of documents on myocarditis.

A FOIA request by the Epoch Times.

Appears to be redacted under the (b)(5) privilege. That covers a lot of ground. It could even possibly involve personal information of test subjects.

There is a lot of information on this topic at the CDC website.

Peter McCullough
https://www.medpagetoday.com/sp
ecial-reports/exclusives/93936

https://vaxopedia.org/2024/03/19/did-the-cdc-redact-every-word-of-a-paper-on-myocarditis-after-covid-vaccination/

https://www.dea.gov/foia/foia-exemptions

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4864 on: March 21, 2024, 01:59:38 PM »
Quote from: No one on March 21, 2024, 01:36:55 PM
Janae Shamp is the Chair of an Arizona legislature committee. Watching the video, I would assume that she truely is in possession of the 148 pages.

But carry on with your Google source.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1769793776745087004

It was a FOIA request by the Epoch Times. It's a document, but not a study.

"Seeing some confusion about this document: It’s a CDC document sent to us in response to a Freedom of Information Act request and is fully redacted. The request asked for information about the CDC’s MOVING project." -- Zachary Stieber of The Epoch Times,

I have the 148 pages too..
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24463984-cdc-moving-foia

But carry on with your tweets and
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4865 on: March 21, 2024, 02:03:31 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 21, 2024, 01:45:18 PM
A FOIA request by the Epoch Times.

Appears to be redacted under the (b)(5) privilege. That covers a lot of ground. It could involve personal information of test subjects.

There is a lot of information on this topic at the CDC website.


And who cares who requested the FOIA ? That's completely irrelevantl

It's a fully redacted Freedom of Information Request to a tax payer funded governmental agency. You're free to be ok with a complete redaction. Others are free to question a governmental agency fully redacting 148 pages.

Epoch Times is also entitled to submit FOIAs. Or is it your position that they shouldn't be allowed ?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4866 on: March 21, 2024, 02:31:58 PM »
I was being sarcastic. You automatically dismiss any work from certain mainstream scientists, but a redacted FOIA request from ET?

The other thing is, it's not a study, and it's not about myocarditis. It is information about the CDC's moving project. I gather that is their internal reorganization? That might involve a lot of privileged communications exempt from foia.

"Information related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency" is exempt

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4867 on: March 21, 2024, 02:58:30 PM »
In case you missed my edits

It's a document, but not a study.

"Seeing some confusion about this document: It’s a CDC document sent to us in response to a Freedom of Information Act request and is fully redacted. The request asked for information about the CDC’s MOVING project." -- Zachary Stieber of The Epoch Times,

I have the 148 pages too..
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24463984-cdc-moving-foia
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4868 on: March 21, 2024, 03:39:10 PM »
Love when the Boomers go after each other.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4869 on: March 21, 2024, 06:08:13 PM »
Classic fake news creation. Epoch Times does what appears to have been a FOIA request for confidential personnel records related to the CDC's internal  reorganization plans.

CDC sends them a fully redacted 148 page document.

Epoch Times posts it to the Cloud without public comment.

Rumor spreads in conservative circles that: "A FOIA request to the CDC resulted in the release of 148 pages of documents on myocarditis."

Then it becomes a "redacted study"

Finally, Epoch Times admits "The request asked for information about the CDC’s MOVING project." 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4870 on: March 21, 2024, 10:01:19 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 21, 2024, 01:08:35 PM
Tell us again exactly how Elon eviscerated Don?

I actually watched the video. That's the first time I have seen Don Lemon apart from Fox hit pieces.

I thought Lemon was more cordial and a lot more accurate on points of contention. A fact check confirms the latter.

The former is more a matter of personal taste. I prefer a polite discussion.

What about that?

This is unsurprising as you have demonstrated many times over the years that you’re sympathetic to what Lemon is bringing up and Elon is disputing.

You don’t like that Twitter/X is no longer a propaganda arm that censors everything you don’t like.

Lemon came across like a child using talking points he learned at school to try and talk to an adult who actually knows things. I’d be annoyed too.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4871 on: March 21, 2024, 10:09:57 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 21, 2024, 06:08:13 PM
Classic fake news creation. Epoch Times does what appears to have been a FOIA request for confidential personnel records related to the CDC's internal  reorganization plans.

CDC sends them a fully redacted 148 page document.

Epoch Times posts it to the Cloud without public comment.

Rumor spreads in conservative circles that: "A FOIA request to the CDC resulted in the release of 148 pages of documents on myocarditis."

Then it becomes a "redacted study"

Finally, Epoch Times admits "The request asked for information about the CDC’s MOVING project." 
I hadn't seen your edits. Stieber, never heard of him, didn't do much for his credibility here.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4872 on: March 21, 2024, 10:16:53 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 21, 2024, 10:01:19 PM
This is unsurprising as you have demonstrated many times over the years that you’re sympathetic to what Lemon is bringing up and Elon is disputing.

You don’t like that Twitter/X is no longer a propaganda arm that censors everything you don’t like.

Lemon came across like a child using talking points he learned at school to try and talk to an adult who actually knows things. I’d be annoyed too.

I never used Twitter for anything but sports. You have mistaken me for someone else. I was a Republican ditto head prior to Trump.

My take on the interview was the exact opposite of yours. I think there was a lot of confirmation bias and zero fact checking on your part.

Do you really believe training a dozen or grads of HBCs will kill people?

I already went through it point by point. If it was scored as debate, Lemon won by a large margin.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4873 on: March 21, 2024, 10:24:39 PM »
Quote from: No one on March 21, 2024, 10:09:57 PM
I hadn't seen your edits. Stieber, never heard of him, didn't do much for his credibility here.

Zack Stieber is a reporter for the Epoch Times. He is evidently the person that made the FOIA request.

Generally, anything with the Epoch Times finger prints is suspect.

I expect Republicans will just double down on the hoax.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4874 on: March 25, 2024, 07:48:39 PM »
This is what’s wrong with the left. Should’ve put it in the 🤡 thread, but let the left get the criticism…

https://x.com/endwokeness/status/1772048460847464553?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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