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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4695 on: March 07, 2024, 12:12:38 PM »
Some context:

Crime is down relative to massive spikes just a few years ago. But still up quite a bit compared to pre-pandemic levels. In 2021 people were worried about things like losing their jobs due to vaccine mandates, dealing with runaway inflation, whether Jan 6 was insurrection, etc. compared to now, so maybe that’s partly why crime has come into focus for them now?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4696 on: March 07, 2024, 12:16:44 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 07, 2024, 11:30:10 AM
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.

every category of major crime except auto theft declined.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/people-think-crime-rate-up-actually-down-rcna129585

Auto theft will go the way of phone theft soon enough. Even cars that aren't Teslas will be brickable quite soon. People will get over the issue of privacy when they realize they don't have to worry about car theft and their insurance rates go down.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4697 on: March 07, 2024, 01:36:17 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 07, 2024, 10:45:33 AM
I’d pay good money to see Alum, Ray, Murph etc have a discussion with Officer Judd about illegal immigration.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4698 on: March 07, 2024, 01:58:33 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on March 07, 2024, 11:05:10 AM
I think Officer Judd would be better served to have a conversation with Mike Johnson and the other House leaders, who are blocking consideration of the Senate bi-partisan legislation on border security.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4699 on: March 07, 2024, 10:46:08 PM »
I don’t think a lot of independents are going to buy the blaming of republicans for the myriad immigration issues.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4700 on: March 08, 2024, 06:56:08 AM »
HR2 passed the House May 11 with no Democrat votes
The Democratic led Senate has done nothing with it for 10 months.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4701 on: March 08, 2024, 09:22:13 AM »
Quote from: Custard on March 07, 2024, 10:46:08 PM
I don’t think a lot of independents are going to buy the blaming of republicans for the myriad immigration issues.

I agree, but a lot a independents also recognize that the House GOP is not interested in a comprehensive, bipartisan approach to the border security problem.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4702 on: March 08, 2024, 09:27:28 AM »
No Democrats in the House crossed the aisle for HR2 to make HR2 bipartisan.
HR2 was passed 10 months ago and died a quick death under Schumer
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4703 on: March 08, 2024, 09:41:45 AM »
Quote from: No one on March 08, 2024, 09:27:28 AM
No Democrats in the House crossed the aisle for HR2 to make HR2 bipartisan.
HR2 was passed 10 months ago and died a quick death under Schumer

Bipartisan bills start in the Senate. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4704 on: March 08, 2024, 10:11:39 AM »
Why does it have to be attached to 40 billion more for Ukraine than for our own border security? Support for Ukraine is losing popularity and they’re keeping it on life support by lumping the funds in with something voters are more concerned with.

And yes the Republicans, in an election year, would be stupid to pass this less than ideal measure while conceding the money for Ukraine (and Asia and the Red Sea and Israel etc etc) AND let Biden claim a W for finally fixing the problem he let run rampant. 

No reason standalone bills couldn’t be passed that address both issues separately. That would be responsible legislation though, which is way too much to ask for.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4705 on: March 08, 2024, 10:36:28 AM »
Quote from: Custard on March 08, 2024, 10:11:39 AM
Why does it have to be attached to 40 billion more for Ukraine than for our own border security? Support for Ukraine is losing popularity and they’re keeping it on life support by lumping the funds in with something voters are more concerned with.

And yes the Republicans, in an election year, would be stupid to pass this less than ideal measure while conceding the money for Ukraine (and Asia and the Red Sea and Israel etc etc) AND let Biden claim a W for finally fixing the problem he let run rampant. 

No reason standalone bills couldn’t be passed that address both issues separately. That would be responsible legislation though, which is way too much to ask for.
And 1 is a domestic issue while the others are foreign policy.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4706 on: March 08, 2024, 11:00:14 AM »
First time focusing on politics, guys?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4707 on: March 08, 2024, 11:06:00 AM »
I try to avoid it as much as possible. Which is probably why it seems so insanely idiotic to have to earmark 60 billion to Ukraine, 15 billion to Israel, 5 billion to trading partners feeling aggression from China, to secure our own border down to 5k illegals a day. Politics as usual.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4708 on: March 08, 2024, 11:20:22 AM »
Quote from: Custard on March 08, 2024, 11:06:00 AM
I try to avoid it as much as possible. Which is probably why it seems so insanely idiotic to have to earmark 60 billion to Ukraine, 15 billion to Israel, 5 billion to trading partners feeling aggression from China, to secure our own border down to 5k illegals a day. Politics as usual.

Short answer was "Yes."
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4709 on: March 08, 2024, 11:31:48 AM »
Quote from: Custard on March 08, 2024, 11:06:00 AM
I try to avoid it as much as possible. Which is probably why it seems so insanely idiotic to have to earmark 60 billion to Ukraine, 15 billion to Israel, 5 billion to trading partners feeling aggression from China, to secure our own border down to 5k illegals a day. Politics as usual.

If Ukraine falls, our own border may not matter.

Thing about "trading partners" is we make money by trading with them. If they fall apart, no money.

I guess that would solve the border problem by making the US a less pleasant place to be.
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