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WTF is wrong with the left?

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murphstahoe

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #645 on: February 10, 2021, 01:03:34 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 10, 2021, 11:00:13 AM
Interesting as I read an article today that claims the CBO has found it will result in minimal job losses and decrease the percentage of those in poverty. I do not recall it mentioning anything about business closures. That being said, I have been advocate of increasing wages "natutally" by limiting the flow of immigrant labor.

Wages have been suppressed naturally by producing a situation where people can survive on $7.25 an hour by collecting government benefits never intended for people who are gainfully employed.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #646 on: February 10, 2021, 01:11:59 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 10, 2021, 01:03:34 PM
Wages have been suppressed naturally by producing a situation where people can survive on $7.25 an hour by collecting government benefits never intended for people who are gainfully employed.

Agreed.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #647 on: February 11, 2021, 12:27:34 AM »
The free market is a myth anyway. We subsidize business, large and small, in any number of ways. Large group health insurance is effectively a government program that receives hundreds of billions in regressive subsidies.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #648 on: February 11, 2021, 12:47:18 AM »
I wonder how fully a sugar tax would fund universal health care.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #649 on: February 11, 2021, 10:26:24 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 10, 2021, 01:03:34 PM
Wages have been suppressed naturally by producing a situation where people can survive on $7.25 an hour by collecting government benefits never intended for people who are gainfully employed.

agree but it has been both issues
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #650 on: February 11, 2021, 10:27:04 AM »
Quote from: fucking on February 11, 2021, 12:47:18 AM
I wonder how fully a sugar tax would fund universal health care.

include the various syrups and it might... lol
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #651 on: February 11, 2021, 10:56:34 AM »
Quote from: fucking on February 11, 2021, 12:47:18 AM
I wonder how fully a sugar tax would fund universal health care.

Ok I’m onboard, and this is a pretty genius idea.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #652 on: February 11, 2021, 12:52:15 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on February 11, 2021, 10:27:04 AM
include the various syrups and it might... lol

Now you're talking.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #653 on: February 11, 2021, 07:40:20 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 11, 2021, 12:52:15 PM
Now you're talking.
We can't get rid of direct cash subsidies to corn farmers, now you want to gut one of their primary markets by taxing the product?

Good luck. Seriously, good luck, that would be great.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #654 on: February 11, 2021, 07:48:34 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 11, 2021, 07:40:20 PM
We can't get rid of direct cash subsidies to corn farmers, now you want to gut one of their primary markets by taxing the product?

Good luck. Seriously, good luck, that would be great.

You think people will stop drinking Sunny D because it costs 50¢ more?

What would be the per unit levy on fast food sugar water that you could impose without people noticing?

Also, do you care whether their fat asses notice? Would they all start ordering iced tea instead? Or diet drinks?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #655 on: February 11, 2021, 08:24:49 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 11, 2021, 07:40:20 PM
We can't get rid of direct cash subsidies to corn farmers, now you want to gut one of their primary markets by taxing the product?

Good luck. Seriously, good luck, that would be great.

I'm totally shocked that all these red counties are on the dole!  Who knew?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #656 on: February 12, 2021, 12:45:20 AM »
I’m ok with some welfare as long as they work for it
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #657 on: February 12, 2021, 11:46:05 AM »
Quote from: fucking on February 11, 2021, 07:48:34 PM
You think people will stop drinking Sunny D because it costs 50¢ more?

What would be the per unit levy on fast food sugar water that you could impose without people noticing?

Also, do you care whether their fat asses notice? Would they all start ordering iced tea instead? Or diet drinks?
Fun anecdotes but the data shows a drop in consumption where taxes have been put in place. Economics works

I might be craving a coke on a drive, but if there's not a McDonalds at the freeway exit, I might pass, because a coke at McDonalds is a dollar, at a BK or CJ's it's over 2 bucks. That extra dollar is meaningless to my financial runway as a whole, but there is a lot of psychology to pricing (which is why McDonalds has $1 cokes to begin with)
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #658 on: February 12, 2021, 01:16:18 PM »
Would it be horrific if the price increase led to less consumption?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #659 on: February 12, 2021, 01:25:25 PM »
The politicians will have all the best case scenario tax money spent before consumers can even begin to change their consumption habits.
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