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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5070 on: June 12, 2024, 11:55:39 AM »
These giant windmill farms are hideous and I hate them

Talk about ruining nature and the environment, YUCK
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5071 on: June 12, 2024, 12:10:57 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 12, 2024, 11:55:39 AM
These giant windmill farms are hideous and I hate them

Talk about ruining nature and the environment, YUCK

Yeah because nothing says nature and protecting the environment like millions of acres of monocropped corn fields covered in 10/10/10 NPK and pesticides, pumped with water from rivers that then get polluted with fertilizer and pesticide runoff, then we take all that corn, put it on a train, take it to a factory, distill it into ethanol, and then burn it.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5072 on: June 12, 2024, 12:13:11 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on June 12, 2024, 12:10:57 PM
Yeah because nothing says nature and protecting the environment like millions of acres of monocropped corn fields covered in 10/10/10 NPK and pesticides, pumped with water from rivers that then get polluted with fertilizer and pesticide runoff, then we take all that corn, put it on a train, take it to a factory, distill it into ethanol, and then burn it.

Im talkin about the ones they put on the beautiful mountains in california, farmland in the plains, meh whatever, already ugly
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5073 on: June 12, 2024, 01:34:41 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 12, 2024, 12:13:11 PM
Im talkin about the ones they put on the beautiful mountains in california, farmland in the plains, meh whatever, already ugly

Mountains made more beautiful by wildfires caused by climate change...

and you can't put them way up in the mountains. Livermore ain't that gorgeous, man
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5074 on: June 12, 2024, 03:19:06 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on June 12, 2024, 01:34:41 PM
Mountains made more beautiful by wildfires caused by climate change...

and you can't put them way up in the mountains. Livermore ain't that gorgeous, man


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California has dry, windy, and often hot weather conditions from spring through late autumn that can produce moderate to severe wildfires. Pre-1800, when the area was much more forested and the ecology much more resilient, 4.4 million acres (1.8 million hectares) of forest and shrubland burned annually.[1] California land area totals 99,813,760 or roughly 100 million acres, so since 2000, the area that burned annually has ranged between 90,000 acres, or 0.09%, and 1,590,000 acres, or 1.59% of the total land of California.[2] During the 2020 wildfire season alone, over 8,100 fires contributed to the burning of nearly 4.5 million acres of land.

Santa Ana winds in California expand fires and spread smoke over hundreds of miles, as in this October 2007 satellite image

The Rim Fire consumed more than 250,000 acres (100,000 ha) of forest near Yosemite National Park, in 2013
Wildfires in California are growing more dangerous because of the accumulation of wood fuel in forests, higher population and greater electricity transmission and distribution lines.[3][4][5] United States taxpayers pay about US$3 billion a year to fight wildfires, and big fires can lead to billions of dollars in property losses.[6] At times, these wildfires are fanned or made worse by strong, dry winds, known as Diablo winds when they occur in the northern part of the state and Santa Ana winds when they occur in the south. However, from a historical perspective, it has been estimated that prior to 1850, about 4.5 million acres (17,000 km2) burned yearly, in fires that lasted for months, with wildfire activity peaking roughly every 30 years, when up to 11.8 million acres (47,753 km3) of land burned.[7][8] The much larger wildfire seasons in the past can be attributed to the policy of Native Californians regularly setting controlled burns and allowing natural fires to run their course, which prevented devastating wildfires from overrunning the state.[7]
More than 350,000 people in California live in towns sited completely within zones deemed to be at very high risk of fire. In total, more than 2.7 million people live in "very high fire hazard severity zones", which also include areas at lesser risk.[9]
On lands under CAL FIRE's jurisdictional protection (i.e. not federal or local responsibility areas), the majority of wildfire ignitions since 1980 have been caused by humans. The four most common ignition sources for wildfires on CAL FIRE-protected lands are, in order: equipment use, powerlines, arson, and lightning.[10]


It’s cLiMAtE ChAnGe, guys !

Sounds like the state was settled by dumbfucks !
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5075 on: June 12, 2024, 05:17:18 PM »
"A 2012 study found that wind projects kill 0.269 birds per gigawatt-hour of electricity produced, compared to 5.18 birds killed per gigawatt-hour of electricity from fossil fuel projects."

"Much of the data about bird deaths at wind facilities in the United States comes from studies published in 2013 and 2014. Those studies gave a wide range for the number of birds that die in wind turbine collisions each year: from 140,000 up to 679,000. The numbers are likely to be higher today, because many more wind farms have been built in the past decade.

Those numbers are not insignificant, but they represent a tiny fraction of the birds killed annually in other ways, like flying into buildings or caught by prowling house cats, which past studies have estimated kill up to 988 million and 4 billion birds each year, respectively."
https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/do-wind-turbines-kill-birds

Of course, that is just science. For the real truth, we should consult some college dropout with a conservative talk show.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5076 on: June 12, 2024, 05:28:20 PM »
"Wind energy produces around 11 grams of CO2 per kilowatt-hour (g CO2/kWh) of electricity generated, compared with about 980 g CO2/kWh for coal and roughly 465 g CO2/kWh for natural gas.Aug 24, 2023"

"Over its life-cycle, nuclear produces about the same amount of CO2-equivalent emissions per unit of electricity as wind, and about one-third that of solar."

"Researchers at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) established an approach to manufacturing wind turbine blades, employing a thermoplastic resin system. These thermoplastic resins allow for the recycling of wind turbine blades and also reduce the energy required to manufacture blades."
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5077 on: June 12, 2024, 05:33:15 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 12, 2024, 05:28:20 PM
"Wind energy produces around 11 grams of CO2 per kilowatt-hour (g CO2/kWh) of electricity generated, compared with about 980 g CO2/kWh for coal and roughly 465 g CO2/kWh for natural gas.Aug 24, 2023"



'Over its life-cycle, nuclear produces about the same amount of CO2-equivalent emissions per unit of electricity as wind, and about one-third that of solar."
"Researchers at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) established an approach to manufacturing wind turbine blades, employing a thermoplastic resin system. These thermoplastic resins allow for the recycling of wind turbine blades and also reduce the energy required to manufacture blades."

CO2 isn't pollution, its essential for life on earth.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5078 on: June 12, 2024, 05:45:37 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 12, 2024, 05:33:15 PM
CO2 isn't pollution, its essential for life on earth.

Yes. Climate scientists all have a firm grasp of how the carbon cycle works.

They are also aware that climate change has occurred in the past.

There was also once a debate over whether CO2 driven warming would be offset by cooling related to burning high sulfur coal.

Oh, and Al Gore's worst case scenarios didn't happen.

CO2 is still a green house gas. Increases in CO2 are causing global warming. Electing climate change deniers will not change the facts.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5079 on: June 12, 2024, 05:47:31 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 12, 2024, 05:33:15 PM
CO2 isn't pollution, its essential for life on earth.

So's food. Get eating!

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5080 on: June 12, 2024, 06:35:59 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 12, 2024, 05:45:37 PM
Yes. Climate scientists all have a firm grasp of how the carbon cycle works.

They are also aware that climate change has occurred in the past.

There was also once a debate over whether CO2 driven warming would be offset by cooling related to burning high sulfur coal.

Oh, and Al Gore's worst case scenarios didn't happen.

CO2 is still a green house gas. Increases in CO2 are causing global warming. Electing climate change deniers will not change the facts.

do you even know what the most effective greenhouse gas is?

no goggling old man
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5081 on: June 12, 2024, 07:19:53 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 12, 2024, 06:35:59 PM
do you even know what the most effective greenhouse gas is?

no goggling old man

CO2 by far, because of its volume. Methane is probably a distant 2nd. Others might be potent, but are produced in relatively small quantities.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5082 on: June 12, 2024, 07:56:59 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 12, 2024, 06:35:59 PM
do you even know what the most effective greenhouse gas is?

no goggling old man

The hot air some someone who wrote 1200 calls on Nvidia - currently trading at 1250
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5083 on: June 12, 2024, 09:03:40 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 12, 2024, 07:19:53 PM
CO2 by far, because of its volume. Methane is probably a distant 2nd. Others might be potent, but are produced in relatively small quantities.

Wrong.

Its water vapor.
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« Reply #5084 on: June 12, 2024, 09:19:50 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 12, 2024, 09:03:40 PM
Wrong.

Its water vapor.

Is there an *increase*
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