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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4020 on: October 09, 2023, 07:18:35 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 09, 2023, 04:50:32 PM
He voted for Nixon, Mn.

Supported Nixon in 1968, Voted for McGovern in 1972. 

Nixon expressed concern about the permissive culture. He was an advocate of law and order. He didn't like hippies. Other than that:

*opposed fiscally irresponsible tax cuts.
*signed the clean air and water acts.
*started the EPA
*supported federal gun control
*enforced the civil rights acts
*was a globalist; supported and took concrete steps toward normalizing relations and trade with China and Russia.
*zero draft call
 
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4021 on: October 09, 2023, 07:19:39 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 09, 2023, 04:17:03 PM
Proceed....at some point you will put forth your vision for American Democracy.

So you don't actually know?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4022 on: October 09, 2023, 07:22:04 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 09, 2023, 04:53:24 PM
Nobody old enough to have voted for Nixon should be given a voice. They caused the problems

Nixon the rino?

opposed fiscally irresponsible tax cuts.
*signed the clean air and water acts.
*started the EPA
*supported federal gun control
*enforced the civil rights acts
*was a globalist; supported and took concrete steps toward normalizing relations and trade with China and Russia.
*zero draft call
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4023 on: October 09, 2023, 07:24:52 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 09, 2023, 04:17:48 PM
The Internet has made talk cheap, so not sure this true anymore.

Let me know when the price of ads on broadcast TV are cheap.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4024 on: October 09, 2023, 07:40:17 PM »
Nixon also initially supported a guaranteed income via a negative income tax. He backed away and supported a watered down version. He had the votes. but I gather he caved into pressure from the hard right including southern Democrats.  McGovern had a better plan, but it had zero chance.   
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4025 on: October 09, 2023, 10:03:20 PM »
Would have been quite a spectacle to see how the government would fuck that all up.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4026 on: October 09, 2023, 11:24:10 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 09, 2023, 07:03:48 PM
We have drivers licenses, state IDs, and voter cards. How many more government requirements do you want?

Judge Judy = big government is a match
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4027 on: October 09, 2023, 11:25:10 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 09, 2023, 07:22:04 PM
Nixon the rino?

opposed fiscally irresponsible tax cuts.
*signed the clean air and water acts.
*started the EPA
*supported federal gun control
*enforced the civil rights acts
*was a globalist; supported and took concrete steps toward normalizing relations and trade with China and Russia.
*zero draft call

I don't care about Nixon. I'm just suspicious of people who were voting in presidential elections before I was born (and I'm fucking old)
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4028 on: October 10, 2023, 08:04:36 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 09, 2023, 07:24:52 PM
Let me know when the price of ads on broadcast TV are cheap.
I thought people didn't watch TV anymore and The FaceBook was the main driver of election misinformation....
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4029 on: October 10, 2023, 09:20:58 AM »
Quote from: Custard on October 09, 2023, 10:03:20 PM
Would have been quite a spectacle to see how the government would fuck that all up.

If you mean a negative income tax, it is simple. It's the same sort of thing as the advanced earned income credit - a refundable tax credit.

People who owe zero tax get the entire credit refunded to them. As they earn income, owe tax, it gets phased out. Nixon's final watered down proposal was about 1600 a year for a family of 4. Roughly 10k now. It would have replaced ADC and AFDC.

It would have been distributed by the IRS, so a lot of bureaucratic cost is eliminated. Also would have eliminated some of the disincentives that broke up families, discouraged work, and subsidized dependency.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4030 on: October 10, 2023, 09:12:18 PM »
Trump is a real piece of work, asked about Hamas attacking Israel he's compared the US/Mexico border "crisis" to Israel/Gaza. "Very similar"
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4031 on: October 10, 2023, 09:26:57 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 10, 2023, 09:12:18 PM
Trump is a real piece of work, asked about Hamas attacking Israel he's compared the US/Mexico border "crisis" to Israel/Gaza. "Very similar"

Must have missed the reports of beheaded babies along the Southern border.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4032 on: October 11, 2023, 07:30:30 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 10, 2023, 09:12:18 PM
Trump is a real piece of work, asked about Hamas attacking Israel he's compared the US/Mexico border "crisis" to Israel/Gaza. "Very similar"
Yeah and that POS said that Israel would never have been attacked on Saturday and Russia would have never attacked Ukraine if he had been in the White House. Yeah right.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4033 on: October 16, 2023, 06:11:38 PM »
A Plainfield IL landlord murdered a 6 year old Muslim boy. His apparent motive was retaliation for the Hamas attack on Israel.

Every month, an illegal alien or two commits a serious crime. The right wing often blames all 17 million and Democratic policies.

In the past, white Americans would retaliate against a crime allegedly committed black people with random lynchings.

Perhaps we are hard wired to become angry and seek revenge when one of them harms one of us?

Are conservatives more apt to take some kind of irrational action based on those feelings?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4034 on: October 16, 2023, 06:22:57 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 16, 2023, 06:11:38 PM
A Plainfield IL landlord murdered a 6 year old Muslim boy. His apparent motive was retaliation for the Hamas attack on Israel.

Every month, an illegal alien or two commits a serious crime. The right wing often blames all 17 million and Democratic policies.

In the past, white Americans would retaliate against a crime allegedly committed black people with random lynchings.

Perhaps we are hard wired to become angry and seek revenge when one of them harms one of us?

Are conservatives more apt to take some kind of irrational action based on those feelings?

Apparently got freaked out listening to "conservative" radio that they were going to off him.
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