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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #496 on: August 08, 2020, 06:45:01 PM »
Some of my best friends work in healthcare and healthcare billing. They absolutely have a financial incentive to treat for Covid particularly with a respirator. Anyone arguing otherwise at this point just has their heads buried in the sand.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/21/facebook-posts/Fact-check-Hospitals-COVID-19-payments/

It’s obviously tough to know to what level this has been abused but I think it’s borderline insane to believe it hasn’t been abused and it’s not like the hospitals raking in the cash have much of an incentive to blow the whistle on themselves.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #497 on: August 08, 2020, 08:45:59 PM »
We shouldn't outlaw for-profit medicine, but any nationalization of health care should not involve for-profit establishments.

Public buildings peopled by public employees. Little to no involvement for insurance companies, whose only purpose (in this industry) is to figure out how to restrict our access to medical care.

I favor an expansion/improvement of the Veterans Administration. Two years of national service for everybody (could be military, could be forestry, could be road construction, could be peace corps, could be clerical) = lifetime health care.

We should make health care a heritable but restricted entitlement. Every citizen gets health care and can pass it on to one person by heredity. Non-citizens can earn this entitlement via national service.

People who want to have more than two children are wealthy enough to afford having children, so they also can pay for their own health care after that third child is born. Makes sense, right?

Our current welfare state rewards people for bearing children they can't afford. The theory is "it's not the kids' fault," and that's a rational justification. Rational actors follow incentives, as The Fart points out above.

I sometimes tell the story of the mom & daughter who lived in a Section 8 house less than a thousand yards from my house. The mom, according to a neighbor, proposed that both she and the daughter get pregnant because they needed the money.

My proposal is, in my opinion, right-wing (to the extent that government/political concepts must be identified by Wings). It incentivizes a desired change in public behavior. Its ideology, to the extent that it's ideological, holds that people are rational actors.

It seeks to address the only problem that humanity has: overpopulation.

And yes, Fart, we need to remove the profit motive from health care. But not make it illegal.


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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #499 on: August 08, 2020, 08:57:48 PM »
We shouldn't outlaw for-profit medicine, but any nationalization of health care should not involve for-profit establishments.

Public buildings peopled by public employees. Little to no involvement for insurance companies, whose only purpose (in this industry) is to figure out how to restrict our access to medical care.

I favor an expansion/improvement of the Veterans Administration. Two years of national service for everybody (could be military, could be forestry, could be road construction, could be peace corps, could be clerical) = lifetime health care.

We should make health care a heritable but restricted entitlement. Every citizen gets health care and can pass it on to one person by heredity. Non-citizens can earn this entitlement via national service.

People who want to have more than two children are wealthy enough to afford having children, so they also can pay for their own health care after that third child is born. Makes sense, right?

Our current welfare state rewards people for bearing children they can't afford. The theory is "it's not the kids' fault," and that's a rational justification. Rational actors follow incentives, as The Fart points out above.

I sometimes tell the story of the mom & daughter who lived in a Section 8 house less than a thousand yards from my house. The mom, according to a neighbor, proposed that both she and the daughter get pregnant because they needed the money.

My proposal is, in my opinion, right-wing (to the extent that government/political concepts must be identified by Wings). It incentivizes a desired change in public behavior. Its ideology, to the extent that it's ideological, holds that people are rational actors.

It seeks to address the only problem that humanity has: overpopulation.

And yes, Fart, we need to remove the profit motive from health care. But not make it illegal.

Not sure that everyone with more than 2 kids can afford it.

What about bastards?

Oh, and Paul McCartney and Wings sucked.

My uncle stole an ambulance while in a medical gown from the Maywood VA because he did not want some.Japanese (I'll refrain from using the term he used) doctor working on him. The cops had to chase him down on Mannheim Road.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #500 on: August 08, 2020, 09:00:50 PM »
Some of my best friends work in healthcare and healthcare billing. They absolutely have a financial incentive to treat for Covid particularly with a respirator. Anyone arguing otherwise at this point just has their heads buried in the sand.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/21/facebook-posts/Fact-check-Hospitals-COVID-19-payments/

It’s obviously tough to know to what level this has been abused but I think it’s borderline insane to believe it hasn’t been abused and it’s not like the hospitals raking in the cash have much of an incentive to blow the whistle on themselves.

The citation you listed doesn't indicate that there has been "abuse." 

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #501 on: August 08, 2020, 10:09:36 PM »
Of course is doesn’t indicate abuse...I addressed the likelihood of abuse specifically in my post. As rob pointed out, rational actors follow incentives.

Also pertaining to robs health bill, I had largely the same conversation with my dear mother this evening. It practically goes without saying that taking away the “have a shitload of kids for the money” incentive needs to be gone yesterday.

Post-ACA we currently inhabit a really shitty post-free market and pre-socialized medicine purgatory. IMO it’s going to end up with a single payer system for the vast majority of citizens with a premium option for those who can afford it.

Idk if it will be 5, 15, or 50 years from now, but I can’t see any other outcome.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #502 on: August 08, 2020, 11:13:54 PM »
What about bastards?

As I said, it's a right-wing solution.

Live and let die.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #503 on: August 08, 2020, 11:39:22 PM »
We shouldn't outlaw for-profit medicine, but any nationalization of health care should not involve for-profit establishments.

Public buildings peopled by public employees. Little to no involvement for insurance companies, whose only purpose (in this industry) is to figure out how to restrict our access to medical care.

I favor an expansion/improvement of the Veterans Administration. Two years of national service for everybody (could be military, could be forestry, could be road construction, could be peace corps, could be clerical) = lifetime health care.

We should make health care a heritable but restricted entitlement. Every citizen gets health care and can pass it on to one person by heredity. Non-citizens can earn this entitlement via national service.

People who want to have more than two children are wealthy enough to afford having children, so they also can pay for their own health care after that third child is born. Makes sense, right?

Our current welfare state rewards people for bearing children they can't afford. The theory is "it's not the kids' fault," and that's a rational justification. Rational actors follow incentives, as The Fart points out above.

I sometimes tell the story of the mom & daughter who lived in a Section 8 house less than a thousand yards from my house. The mom, according to a neighbor, proposed that both she and the daughter get pregnant because they needed the money.

My proposal is, in my opinion, right-wing (to the extent that government/political concepts must be identified by Wings). It incentivizes a desired change in public behavior. Its ideology, to the extent that it's ideological, holds that people are rational actors.

It seeks to address the only problem that humanity has: overpopulation.

And yes, Fart, we need to remove the profit motive from health care. But not make it illegal.

What about bastards


Well take em, but we don’t want the Irish!
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #504 on: August 09, 2020, 12:27:12 AM »
Are we not allowed to say "niggers and chinks" here?

You know, in the proper spirit?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #505 on: August 09, 2020, 02:20:29 AM »
Some of my best friends work in healthcare and healthcare billing. They absolutely have a financial incentive to treat for Covid particularly with a respirator. Anyone arguing otherwise at this point just has their heads buried in the sand.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/21/facebook-posts/Fact-check-Hospitals-COVID-19-payments/

It’s obviously tough to know to what level this has been abused but I think it’s borderline insane to believe it hasn’t been abused and it’s not like the hospitals raking in the cash have much of an incentive to blow the whistle on themselves.

These are some pretty damn dumb hospitals then. They make a hell of a lot more money on elective surgeries than they do treating COVID, and do so without the risk of contracting an infectious disease. COVID has put the brakes on elective surgeries - even hospitals that are allowing them are getting fewer patients because people are deferring them just to stay away from the hospital.

So their #1 incentive is to get people well and prevent the spread.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #506 on: August 09, 2020, 09:00:32 AM »
What about bastards?

As I said, it's a right-wing solution.

Live and let die.

Kurt Kittner won't agree.
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« Reply #507 on: August 13, 2020, 12:56:55 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #508 on: August 13, 2020, 05:59:48 PM »
Great job President Trump and everyone involved  !!!!!!

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-and-uae-reach-historic-peace-deal-638524

Not thrilled with the "forego for now" business.  The UAE gives zero shits about what Israel does with the West Bank.  Obviously its leaders think diplomatic ties will help them with Iran.  Will be interesting to see if Saudi Arabia blesses the deal. 

Israel Suspends West Bank Annexation in Deal to Normalize Relations With the UAE

“Annexation still on the table, Netanyahu says, but U.S. asked Israel to 'temporarily postpone' applying sovereignty to parts of West Bank in order to advance the peace agreement.”

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/with-trump-s-help-israel-and-the-uae-reach-historic-deal-to-normalize-relations-1.9070687


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« Reply #509 on: August 13, 2020, 07:54:05 PM »
Great job President Trump and everyone involved  !!!!!!

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-and-uae-reach-historic-peace-deal-638524

That he can do this AND fuck up the post office even more is amazing.
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