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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6690 on: February 10, 2025, 06:39:59 PM »
Is that just your gut feeling? Because what constitutes sustainable ag practices/products really isn’t nebulous, and most farmers will happily change if there is a demonstrable benefit.

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Ganesan told me the main issue is that farmers need more operational support when it comes to actually implementing sustainability practices.

In particular, he said farmers need more support around go about financing any changes and working out how it will impact yields and operating costs over time.

Ganesan added the other two reasons are closely related.

One is around obtaining a market premium for their products, especially when 70% of the crops grown in the U.S. are corn and soybean and their end use and value varies across food, fuel and feed.

And the final issue is around how farmers can create additional revenue from any assets that are by-products from adopting sustainable farming practices.

The report also finds that adoption of practices is correlated with perceived return on investment (ROI), and practices with the highest perceived ROI, such as applying fertilizer based on soil sampling, have the highest rates of adoption.

This aligns closely with what I see working with suppliers and producers every day.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiehailstone/2024/04/22/are-us-farmers-slow-to-take-up-sustainable-practices/



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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6691 on: February 10, 2025, 08:45:36 PM »
Is that just your gut feeling? Because what constitutes sustainable ag practices/products really isn’t nebulous, and most farmers will happily change if there is a demonstrable benefit.

This aligns closely with what I see working with suppliers and producers every day.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiehailstone/2024/04/22/are-us-farmers-slow-to-take-up-sustainable-practices/

Next to the fossil fuel industry, the agriculture sector has been the most resistant to scaling up new technologies and practices that mainstream sustainability.  Various approaches have been experimented with in the past.  Some have proven to be successful, while others have not met expectations.   

No more shiny new objects.  It’s time for the ag community to step up and take ownership.  To this end, I’d like to see the local and state farm bureaus come together to develop regional sustainability plans that deal with:
- Overuse of synthetic fertilizers and pesticides.
- Reliance on antibiotics and hormones in livestock.
- Monoculture farming.
- Excessive tillage.
- Overusing land.

I would like to see goals, action steps, timelines, assigned responsibilities and performance metrics in each plan.  Government, research institutions and consultants are not going to lead the revolution, but they can play supporting roles.  It’s got to be a coordinated "bottom up" approach that has widespread buy-in.  Otherwise, we'll just see more piecemeal efforts and slow adoption of more beneficial technologies and practices.     

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« Reply #6692 on: February 10, 2025, 11:53:23 PM »
Next to the fossil fuel industry, the agriculture sector has been the most resistant to scaling up new technologies and practices that mainstream sustainability.  Various approaches have been experimented with in the past.  Some have proven to be successful, while others have not met expectations.   

No more shiny new objects.  It’s time for the ag community to step up and take ownership.  To this end, I’d like to see the local and state farm bureaus come together to develop regional sustainability plans that deal with:
- Overuse of synthetic fertilizers and pesticides.
- Reliance on antibiotics and hormones in livestock.
- Monoculture farming.
- Excessive tillage.
- Overusing land.

I would like to see goals, action steps, timelines, assigned responsibilities and performance metrics in each plan.  Government, research institutions and consultants are not going to lead the revolution, but they can play supporting roles.  It’s got to be a coordinated "bottom up" approach that has widespread buy-in.  Otherwise, we'll just see more piecemeal efforts and slow adoption of more beneficial technologies and practices.   

Ag needs a bottom-up approach to sustainability when the entire system is driven by top-down factors that reward maximum production regardless of the inherent drawbacks?

Government policy, subsidies, propped up demand, etc all reward maximum production which directly translates to higher usage of synthetic fertilizers, pesticides, and soil degradation.

Widescale change will come in one of two ways: European style legislation on inputs, or financial incentives. We do a lot of work in the Chesapeake watershed which is subject to nutrient and pesticide restrictions. Guess what? Farmers have adapted.

The key is finding a way to drive behavioral changes. As long as farmers are incentivized to produce as much as possible with no restrictions on inputs they’ll continue to do so.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6693 on: February 11, 2025, 10:32:53 AM »
Ag needs a bottom-up approach to sustainability when the entire system is driven by top-down factors that reward maximum production regardless of the inherent drawbacks?

Government policy, subsidies, propped up demand, etc all reward maximum production which directly translates to higher usage of synthetic fertilizers, pesticides, and soil degradation.

Widescale change will come in one of two ways: European style legislation on inputs, or financial incentives. We do a lot of work in the Chesapeake watershed which is subject to nutrient and pesticide restrictions. Guess what? Farmers have adapted.

The key is finding a way to drive behavioral changes. As long as farmers are incentivized to produce as much as possible with no restrictions on inputs they’ll continue to do so.

That’s right.  Blame someone or something else.  The farmers are just fine with the current food production system.  They are a huge part of the problem along with the other major industry players.     

The Chesapeake watershed project is unfortunately an outlier; something that is largely being ignored by the rest of the industry.  It required local farmers to collaborate with other groups in the community, including local governments, federal agencies, non-profit conservation groups and academic institutions.  This project is not easily transferable to other regions of the country. 

Wake me up when the American Farm Bureau and other mainstream agribusiness organizations initiate a campaign to lobby federal and state officials to enact European-style legislation.  That would be my preferred approach.  And I want to see the farmers put some serious muscle behind a legislative effort and build a broad-based coalition with other groups.  It's going to take a village.  Things aren’t going to change overnight.  You are probably looking at a 2-4 year battle. 

Bottom line: the system will not improve until the farmers demand it.  They need to take some ownership and demonstrate high-level leadership in addressing the problem.  No more excuses.     

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6694 on: February 11, 2025, 03:53:15 PM »
The left cancelled Braxton Bragg, then the right got control, put Pete Hegseth in charge, and he pussed out and put Bragg into the dustbin of history

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/4062245/secretary-of-defense-pete-hegseth-renames-fort-liberty-to-fort-bragg/

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6695 on: February 11, 2025, 04:42:50 PM »
The left cancelled Braxton Bragg, then the right got control, put Pete Hegseth in charge, and he pussed out and put Bragg into the dustbin of history

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/4062245/secretary-of-defense-pete-hegseth-renames-fort-liberty-to-fort-bragg/

Isn't it now named after a WWI soldier named Bragg?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6696 on: February 11, 2025, 04:59:18 PM »
Isn't it now named after a WWI soldier named Bragg?

yes - thus Braxton Bragg remains permanently cancelled.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6697 on: February 12, 2025, 05:03:49 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6698 on: February 18, 2025, 02:59:26 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6699 on: February 18, 2025, 03:10:13 PM »
https://www.wcia.com/news/champaign-county/there-were-people-crying-central-illinois-federal-workers-face-unemployment-uncertainty/

Maybe they can get jobs at The State Farm Center hanging banners in the rafters.

"On Thursday, Trump’s administration ordered agencies to lay off nearly all probationary workers. Those employees have generally worked for less than a year and aren’t covered by civil service protections."

basically they fired anyone they could fire with the least amount of hassle. How that implies they got rid of the dead weight, is not in evidence.

Trump probably heard "probationary" and thought that meant "they did something wrong"

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6700 on: February 19, 2025, 08:02:24 AM »
Articles like this are hilarious.  They aren't going to stand up to them no matter how much it negatively impacts their districts. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-faces-growing-republican-revolt-on-capitol-hill-over-awful-doge-cuts/ar-AA1zlIv5
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« Reply #6701 on: February 19, 2025, 12:44:11 PM »
Articles like this are hilarious.  They aren't going to stand up to them no matter how much it negatively impacts their districts. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-faces-growing-republican-revolt-on-capitol-hill-over-awful-doge-cuts/ar-AA1zlIv5

well - he had to fire the NOAA guys because they were too incompetent to see that the hurricane was in fact headed to Alabama.

Virginia has a Governor's race this year. That state is also the one that will be most impacted by Trump's cuts. And Virginia will end up fronting the unemployment money for those workers, who will be sitting on the couch collecting unemployment instead of working. Well done.

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« Reply #6702 on: February 19, 2025, 01:19:10 PM »
well - he had to fire the NOAA guys because they were too incompetent to see that the hurricane was in fact headed to Alabama.

Virginia has a Governor's race this year. That state is also the one that will be most impacted by Trump's cuts. And Virginia will end up fronting the unemployment money for those workers, who will be sitting on the couch collecting unemployment instead of working. Well done.

Someone needs to pick the vegetables
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« Reply #6703 on: February 19, 2025, 03:05:18 PM »
Someone needs to pick the vegetables

They can stay at Murph's house on the Nevada border.
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« Reply #6704 on: February 19, 2025, 03:42:08 PM »
Someone needs to pick the vegetables

you'd trust a government flak to pick your vegetables?