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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1845 on: December 27, 2021, 09:58:42 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 22, 2021, 08:06:47 AM
Joe Manchin is a cancer in the pancreas of the US Senate.

LOL so predictable
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1846 on: December 27, 2021, 11:28:30 AM »
Quote from: Custard on December 26, 2021, 08:48:06 PM
To be fair it will probably take a miracle to fix Illinois.

It's really weird how people in Illinois always bitch about how fucked up it is, like they've never actually been to Mississippi, Arkansas, New Mexico, West Virginia, or any number of semi-functioning banana republics states
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1847 on: December 27, 2021, 12:43:32 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on December 27, 2021, 11:28:30 AM
It's really weird how people in Illinois always bitch about how fucked up it is, like they've never actually been to Mississippi, Arkansas, New Mexico, West Virginia, or any number of semi-functioning banana republics states

I’ve been to all those places. Just because other places are poorly run doesn’t mean Illinois isn’t. I’m not sure how anyone could mount much of an objective defense for it, especially considering Chicago politics have been an international punchline for decades. I don’t think we have any former governors in jail though right now.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1848 on: December 27, 2021, 02:52:54 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 26, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
Fair enough, but just saying God and prayer over and over is not going to do it.

To a significant amount of people, this and lowering taxes is enough.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1849 on: December 27, 2021, 07:38:20 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on December 27, 2021, 11:28:30 AM
It's really weird how people in Illinois always bitch about how fucked up it is, like they've never actually been to Mississippi, Arkansas, New Mexico, West Virginia, or any number of semi-functioning banana republics states

Related:

SIU researchers: Downstate split from Chicago would spell 'economic disaster'
https://thesouthern.com/news/local/siu/siu-researchers-downstate-split-from-chicago-would-spell-economic-disaster/article_eefd2f5f-5a44-507b-9f73-03a179678864.html
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1850 on: December 28, 2021, 01:20:01 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 27, 2021, 12:43:32 PM
I’ve been to all those places. Just because other places are poorly run doesn’t mean Illinois isn’t. I’m not sure how anyone could mount much of an objective defense for it, especially considering Chicago politics have been an international punchline for decades. I don’t think we have any former governors in jail though right now.
Illinois residents seem to be unique in their level of self loathing.

When you are a higher echelon, wealthier, higher educated state, the bar is set higher, the problems are more complex. That allows for some problems to be solved less optimally, more opportunity for graft, etc...

But when you go around CA, you see Bear Republic flags, Nor Cal logos, a lot of pride in place. Same for Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Washington. Illinois seems to be very unique in self loathing. Maybe it's the lower rung of more advanced economies, so unlike in CA where people who can't make it economically can move to Oregon/etc... from Illinois you end up in say, Reno. So most stay in Illinois to seethe, where in CA the haters have left (though thanks to Facebook they haunt local Facebook groups and tell us how much they love Little Rock)

There is something to be said about the article posted above about the economic disparity inside the state. The people in Chicago and the suburbs sense they are being screwed over - and the numbers bear it out, they have to subsidize downstate. The people downstate struggle and have to blame someone.

In CA, a lot of the economically struggling areas are also uniquely gorgeous places like Humboldt or Del Norte, so the city folk don't mind. And they are sparsely populated enough that the "State of Jefferson" people are mostly an ignored curioisity

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1851 on: December 28, 2021, 01:41:59 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on December 28, 2021, 01:20:01 PM
Illinois residents seem to be unique in their level of self loathing.

When you are a higher echelon, wealthier, higher educated state, the bar is set higher, the problems are more complex. That allows for some problems to be solved less optimally, more opportunity for graft, etc...

But when you go around CA, you see Bear Republic flags, Nor Cal logos, a lot of pride in place. Same for Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Washington. Illinois seems to be very unique in self loathing. Maybe it's the lower rung of more advanced economies, so unlike in CA where people who can't make it economically can move to Oregon/etc... from Illinois you end up in say, Reno. So most stay in Illinois to seethe, where in CA the haters have left (though thanks to Facebook they haunt local Facebook groups and tell us how much they love Little Rock)

There is something to be said about the article posted above about the economic disparity inside the state. The people in Chicago and the suburbs sense they are being screwed over - and the numbers bear it out, they have to subsidize downstate. The people downstate struggle and have to blame someone.

In CA, a lot of the economically struggling areas are also uniquely gorgeous places like Humboldt or Del Norte, so the city folk don't mind. And they are sparsely populated enough that the "State of Jefferson" people are mostly an ignored curioisity

Oregon? Half the state has voted to secede to Idaho.

Seems like quite a few successful people have fled from CA as well. Illinois, anecdotally, it seems like middle-to upper-middle class people are fleeing to Indiana or Tennessee and poor Black people are fleeing Chicago for wherever.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1852 on: December 28, 2021, 01:51:49 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on December 28, 2021, 01:20:01 PM


But when you go around CA, you see Bear Republic flags, Nor Cal logos, a lot of pride in place. Same for Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Washington. Illinois seems to be very unique in self loathing. Maybe it's the lower rung of more advanced economies, so unlike in CA where people who can't make it economically can move to Oregon/etc... from Illinois you end up in say, Reno. 

lol nice jab but my decision to leave was based on a few things

staying would be economic suicide

and I saw the writing on the wall with the way things were headed politically

I knew crime was going to skyrocket and for the amount of taxes I was paying it was a colossally terrible deal to stay

As a person who has to deal with the 2nd highest tax bracket, I "made it" just fine in Chicago, I'm just not retarded enough to stay

That and eating, drinking and drugs as the only thing to do year round gets old fast when you're in your 40's
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1853 on: December 28, 2021, 02:48:16 PM »
Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon Planned to Overturn Biden’s Electoral Win

Trump advisor Peter Navarro spoke to the Daily Beast and told them he and Steve Bannon were behind the desperate plan to overturn the 2020 election on January 6th. "We spent a lot of time lining up over 100 congressmen, including some senators. It started out perfectly. At 1 p.m., Gosar and Cruz did exactly what was expected of them. It was a perfect plan. And it all predicated on peace and calm on Capitol Hill. We didn't even need any protestors, because we had over 100 congressmen committed to it," Navarro said, while explaining that he knew full well the overturn wasn't actually going to work numbers-wise in the House and Senate, but the real goal was to increase the pressure on then-Vice President Mike Pence to reverse on his plan to certify the result.

"The Green Bay Sweep was very well thought out. It was designed to get us 24 hours of televised hearings. But we thought that we could bypass the corporate media by getting this stuff televised" Navarro said.  "My role was to provide the receipts for the 100 congressmen or so who would make their case… who could rely in part on the body of evidence I'd collected," Navarro told the Daily Beast.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-advisor-peter-navarro-lays-out-how-he-and-steve-bannon-planned-to-overturn-bidens-electoral-win

Apparently Navarro and Bannon didn't clear their plan with Donald who was more interested in crowd size.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1854 on: December 28, 2021, 03:05:14 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on December 28, 2021, 02:48:16 PM
Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon Planned to Overturn Biden’s Electoral Win

Trump advisor Peter Navarro spoke to the Daily Beast and told them he and Steve Bannon were behind the desperate plan to overturn the 2020 election on January 6th. "We spent a lot of time lining up over 100 congressmen, including some senators. It started out perfectly. At 1 p.m., Gosar and Cruz did exactly what was expected of them. It was a perfect plan. And it all predicated on peace and calm on Capitol Hill. We didn't even need any protestors, because we had over 100 congressmen committed to it," Navarro said, while explaining that he knew full well the overturn wasn't actually going to work numbers-wise in the House and Senate, but the real goal was to increase the pressure on then-Vice President Mike Pence to reverse on his plan to certify the result.

"The Green Bay Sweep was very well thought out. It was designed to get us 24 hours of televised hearings. But we thought that we could bypass the corporate media by getting this stuff televised" Navarro said.  "My role was to provide the receipts for the 100 congressmen or so who would make their case… who could rely in part on the body of evidence I'd collected," Navarro told the Daily Beast.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-advisor-peter-navarro-lays-out-how-he-and-steve-bannon-planned-to-overturn-bidens-electoral-win

Apparently Navarro and Bannon didn't clear their plan with Donald who was more interested in crowd size.

Democrats objected to certification in 2016 also. It's part of the process. Do you think the Democrats didn't discuss this in 2016 ?

"In the 2016 presidential election, Trump won 304 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton's 227. During the joint session on January 6, 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from multiple states.
According to a C-SPAN recording of the joint session that took place four years ago, the following House Democrats made objections:
Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) objected to Alabama's votes.
Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) objected to Florida's votes.
Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) objected to Georgia's votes.
Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) objected to North Carolina's votes.
Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) objected to the votes from North Carolina in addition to votes from South Carolina and Wisconsin. She also stood up and objected citing "massive voter suppression" after Mississippi's votes were announced.
Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) brought up allegations of Russian interference in the election and malfunctioning voting machines when she objected following the announcement of Michigan's votes.
Maxine Waters (D-Calif) rose and said, "I do not wish to debate. I wish to ask 'Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?'" after the announcement of Wyoming's votes."

"If there is an objection to an elector or electors on January 6, 2021, there is a recent precedent. In January 2005, Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Senator Barbara Boxer objected to Ohio’s electoral votes for George W. Bush, alleging “they were not in all known circumstances regularly given.”
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-how-congress-settles-electoral-college-disputes
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1855 on: December 28, 2021, 03:35:09 PM »
Quote from: Mn on December 28, 2021, 03:05:14 PM
Democrats objected to certification in 2016 also. It's part of the process. Do you think the Democrats didn't discuss this in 2016 ?

"In the 2016 presidential election, Trump won 304 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton's 227. During the joint session on January 6, 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from multiple states.
According to a C-SPAN recording of the joint session that took place four years ago, the following House Democrats made objections:
Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) objected to Alabama's votes.
Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) objected to Florida's votes.
Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) objected to Georgia's votes.
Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) objected to North Carolina's votes.
Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) objected to the votes from North Carolina in addition to votes from South Carolina and Wisconsin. She also stood up and objected citing "massive voter suppression" after Mississippi's votes were announced.
Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) brought up allegations of Russian interference in the election and malfunctioning voting machines when she objected following the announcement of Michigan's votes.
Maxine Waters (D-Calif) rose and said, "I do not wish to debate. I wish to ask 'Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?'" after the announcement of Wyoming's votes."

"If there is an objection to an elector or electors on January 6, 2021, there is a recent precedent. In January 2005, Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Senator Barbara Boxer objected to Ohio’s electoral votes for George W. Bush, alleging “they were not in all known circumstances regularly given.”
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-how-congress-settles-electoral-college-disputes

They should have had Tempo show up wearing a bear rug and horns. People would have taken them more seriously.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1856 on: December 28, 2021, 03:59:46 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 28, 2021, 03:35:09 PM
They should have had Tempo show up wearing a bear rug and horns. People would have taken them more seriously.

LOL!
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1857 on: December 28, 2021, 04:23:42 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 28, 2021, 03:35:09 PM
They should have had Tempo show up wearing a bear rug and horns. People would have taken them more seriously.
I had to read this twice. I thought it said Trump.
Lol.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1858 on: December 28, 2021, 04:24:05 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on December 28, 2021, 03:59:46 PM
LOL!

I give it a B-. And I think that’s being generous.
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« Reply #1859 on: December 28, 2021, 04:29:48 PM »
I'm not sure they could take anyone more seriously than the original.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1351540504194912257
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