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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1860 on: December 28, 2021, 04:37:03 PM »
Quote from: Mn on December 28, 2021, 03:05:14 PM
Democrats objected to certification in 2016 also. It's part of the process. Do you think the Democrats didn't discuss this in 2016 ?

"In the 2016 presidential election, Trump won 304 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton's 227. During the joint session on January 6, 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from multiple states.
According to a C-SPAN recording of the joint session that took place four years ago, the following House Democrats made objections:
Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) objected to Alabama's votes.
Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) objected to Florida's votes.
Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) objected to Georgia's votes.
Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) objected to North Carolina's votes.
Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) objected to the votes from North Carolina in addition to votes from South Carolina and Wisconsin. She also stood up and objected citing "massive voter suppression" after Mississippi's votes were announced.
Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) brought up allegations of Russian interference in the election and malfunctioning voting machines when she objected following the announcement of Michigan's votes.
Maxine Waters (D-Calif) rose and said, "I do not wish to debate. I wish to ask 'Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?'" after the announcement of Wyoming's votes."

"If there is an objection to an elector or electors on January 6, 2021, there is a recent precedent. In January 2005, Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Senator Barbara Boxer objected to Ohio’s electoral votes for George W. Bush, alleging “they were not in all known circumstances regularly given.”
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-how-congress-settles-electoral-college-disputes

You can thank Joe Biden for certification of the electoral votes in 2016.   Biden denied all of the objections, repeatedly saying "there is no debate."  "It is over," Biden said as Republicans applauded.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/electoral-college-vote-count-objections/index.html

More importantly, there was no behind the scenes maneuverings by advisors to Hillary to put pressure on Biden to overturn the electoral votes.  Here’s a full text of her concession speech.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/hillary-clinton-concession-speech/index.html

Unlike Trump, Hillary didn’t repeatedly vow never to concede the 2016 election.  She didn’t back failed lawsuits or flood her Twitter account with baseless claims of voter fraud.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1861 on: December 28, 2021, 04:54:43 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on December 28, 2021, 04:37:03 PM
You can thank Joe Biden for certification of the electoral votes in 2016.   Biden denied all of the objections, repeatedly saying "there is no debate."  "It is over," Biden said as Republicans applauded.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/electoral-college-vote-count-objections/index.html

More importantly, there was no behind the scenes maneuverings by advisors to Hillary to put pressure on Biden to overturn the electoral votes.  Here’s a full text of her concession speech.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/hillary-clinton-concession-speech/index.html

Unlike Trump, Hillary didn’t repeatedly vow never to concede the 2016 election.  She didn’t back failed lawsuits or flood her Twitter account with baseless claims of voter fraud.


It takes a member of the House and Senate to co-sponsor an objection. Biden had no choice but to deny the objections.
"House Democratic efforts to challenge the electoral process failed Friday when no senators joined the objections as Congress certified Trump’s Electoral College victory."
https://www.rollcall.com/2017/01/06/trump-election-is-made-official-over-scattered-objections/

And ...
"Jackson Lee said that while she understood that the rules prohibit the vice president from allowing their pleas to be heard, she “would have rather the rules [been] broken in this instance, waived in this instance, so that we could speak not only to the American people but, more importantly, to our colleagues.”
"House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who had said she would not encourage her members to object but would support such moves, pumped her fists to encourage some of her dissenting colleagues."
And the video shows the removal of the protesters.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1862 on: December 28, 2021, 05:21:59 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 28, 2021, 04:24:05 PM
I give it a B-. And I think that’s being generous.

You should resolve to learn to laugh more in 2022.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1863 on: December 28, 2021, 05:22:51 PM »
Quote from: Mn on December 28, 2021, 04:54:43 PM
It takes a member of the House and Senate to co-sponsor an objection. Biden had no choice but to deny the objections.
"House Democratic efforts to challenge the electoral process failed Friday when no senators joined the objections as Congress certified Trump’s Electoral College victory."
https://www.rollcall.com/2017/01/06/trump-election-is-made-official-over-scattered-objections/

And ...
"Jackson Lee said that while she understood that the rules prohibit the vice president from allowing their pleas to be heard, she “would have rather the rules [been] broken in this instance, waived in this instance, so that we could speak not only to the American people but, more importantly, to our colleagues.”
"House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who had said she would not encourage her members to object but would support such moves, pumped her fists to encourage some of her dissenting colleagues."
And the video shows the removal of the protesters.

So the Republicans were applauding Joe Biden for just doing his job?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1864 on: December 28, 2021, 05:25:02 PM »
Quote from: Mn on December 28, 2021, 04:29:48 PM
I'm not sure they could take anyone more seriously than the original.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1351540504194912257

After the violence that occured prior to that, sure.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1865 on: December 28, 2021, 05:51:02 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 28, 2021, 01:41:59 PM
Oregon? Half the state has voted to secede to Idaho.

Seems like quite a few successful people have fled from CA as well. Illinois, anecdotally, it seems like middle-to upper-middle class people are fleeing to Indiana or Tennessee and poor Black people are fleeing Chicago for wherever.

Land doesn't vote. Kate Brown is a lesbian and won by 8 points, Wyden won by 23 last time out.
Larry Ellison and Elon Musk is 2. And no big loss. And they didn't sell their estates in Woodside
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1866 on: December 28, 2021, 05:51:48 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 28, 2021, 05:22:51 PM
So the Republicans were applauding Joe Biden for just doing his job?
He was much younger then.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1867 on: December 28, 2021, 05:54:50 PM »
Quote from: Mn on December 28, 2021, 04:54:43 PM
It takes a member of the House and Senate to co-sponsor an objection. Biden had no choice but to deny the objections.
"House Democratic efforts to challenge the electoral process failed Friday when no senators joined the objections as Congress certified Trump’s Electoral College victory."
https://www.rollcall.com/2017/01/06/trump-election-is-made-official-over-scattered-objections/

And ...
"Jackson Lee said that while she understood that the rules prohibit the vice president from allowing their pleas to be heard, she “would have rather the rules [been] broken in this instance, waived in this instance, so that we could speak not only to the American people but, more importantly, to our colleagues.”
"House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who had said she would not encourage her members to object but would support such moves, pumped her fists to encourage some of her dissenting colleagues."
And the video shows the removal of the protesters.

So you're saying there is a precedent but it's not the same thing
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1868 on: December 28, 2021, 05:55:44 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on December 28, 2021, 05:51:02 PM
Land doesn't vote. Kate Brown is a lesbian and won by 8 points, Wyden won by 23 last time out.
Larry Ellison and Elon Musk is 2. And no big loss. And they didn't sell their estates in Woodside

1. That seems to be their point in Oregon. Yet, I am betting the same people in Oregon do not mind when the majority of the country gets fucked by the Electoral College.

2. Appears that more people have left CA based on the population numbers and housing prices in the adjoining states and Colorado, etc.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1869 on: December 28, 2021, 07:38:18 PM »
I must have missed the part where HRC's people put pressure on Biden to decertify the election. I don't think anyone even thought that was possible.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1870 on: December 28, 2021, 08:53:54 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on December 28, 2021, 01:20:01 PM
Illinois residents seem to be unique in their level of self loathing.

When you are a higher echelon, wealthier, higher educated state, the bar is set higher, the problems are more complex. That allows for some problems to be solved less optimally, more opportunity for graft, etc...

But when you go around CA, you see Bear Republic flags, Nor Cal logos, a lot of pride in place. Same for Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Washington. Illinois seems to be very unique in self loathing. Maybe it's the lower rung of more advanced economies, so unlike in CA where people who can't make it economically can move to Oregon/etc... from Illinois you end up in say, Reno. So most stay in Illinois to seethe, where in CA the haters have left (though thanks to Facebook they haunt local Facebook groups and tell us how much they love Little Rock)

There is something to be said about the article posted above about the economic disparity inside the state. The people in Chicago and the suburbs sense they are being screwed over - and the numbers bear it out, they have to subsidize downstate. The people downstate struggle and have to blame someone.

In CA, a lot of the economically struggling areas are also uniquely gorgeous places like Humboldt or Del Norte, so the city folk don't mind. And they are sparsely populated enough that the "State of Jefferson" people are mostly an ignored curioisity

There’s no mystery here. Very few outdoor recreational opportunities, lack of scenery, terrible weather, infamous corruption, constant tax increases which oftentimes disproportionately affect the lower and middle classes who oftentimes can’t afford to leave, strict COVID protocols, crime issues, etc.
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« Reply #1871 on: December 29, 2021, 12:12:29 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 28, 2021, 05:55:44 PM
1. That seems to be their point in Oregon. Yet, I am betting the same people in Oregon do not mind when the majority of the country gets fucked by the Electoral College.

2. Appears that more people have left CA based on the population numbers and housing prices in the adjoining states and Colorado, etc.

Me - "people who can't make it in CA are leaving because they can't afford it"
You - "a lot of successful people are leaving CA!"
Me - "Musk, Ellison, that's 2 and they won't be missed"
You - "the population is decreasing though, people must be leaving! I will adroitly delete 'successful' from my argument"

And if housing price increases is your argument, i invite you to come home shopping in Palo Alto
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« Reply #1872 on: December 29, 2021, 12:19:54 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 28, 2021, 08:53:54 PM
There’s no mystery here. Very few outdoor recreational opportunities, lack of scenery, terrible weather, infamous corruption, constant tax increases which oftentimes disproportionately affect the lower and middle classes who oftentimes can’t afford to leave, strict COVID protocols, crime issues, etc.

Well, the reason I didn't interview in Chicago was definitely due to the weather/geography despite having many friends from undergrad living in Chicago and really enjoying going out in Chicago which was basically CO's and Gully's on a two year time delay - but there were plenty of very good jobs there and my friends who stayed have all been very successful. Good jobs are worth a lot, which is why the Chicago area is still a magnet.

Whom the tax increases hit is quite amusing, given that regressive income tax is written into the state constitution, Pritzker tried to enable a progressive tax, and the state voted it down
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« Reply #1873 on: December 29, 2021, 12:30:58 PM »
And to my point - do you hear Dick Durbin having this sort of pride?

Iowa if anything has WORSE weather scenery and outdoor opportunities. And no pro teams

Sen. Chuck Grassley: "Washington D.C. is an island surrounded by reality. Iowa -- common sense -- it's what I come home for to bring back to Washington D.C. Iowa is the real America."
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« Reply #1874 on: December 29, 2021, 01:41:03 PM »
In my experience Iowans have a fierce state pride because they embrace their state’s agricultural identity rather than being embarrassed by it like a lot of Illinoisans seem to be.
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