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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #285 on: April 16, 2021, 12:10:47 PM »
I take it you’ve spent significant time at mega (MAGA?) churches and are intimately familiar with their patrons?

How else do you know how anyone votes without inherently stereotyping?

Lots of conservative people wanted anyone but Trump but just like with Hillary millions of people held their noses and voted for one or the other along party lines based on one of them saying the few things they really wanted to hear.

Idk it just seems like there should be more concern over the quality of candidates that are emerging from both sides of the aisle rather than demonizing and stereotyping entire groups of people for voting for the wrong person. (Who was a product of a broken system)
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #286 on: April 16, 2021, 01:26:25 PM »
The Founders warned us about political parties for a reason.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #287 on: April 16, 2021, 02:17:33 PM »
The founders, or founder, used the word factions and assumed there would be many, not two. As much as they distrusted central governance, he / they actually saw local 'factions' as the most dangerous to liberty.

Anyone watching Big Sky season 2? Powerful landowner in cahoots with corrupt local cops.

  "a number of citizens, whether amounting to a minority or majority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community."
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #288 on: April 16, 2021, 07:07:15 PM »
You're suggesting that John Jay, Hamilton and Madison just might be one person?
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #289 on: April 16, 2021, 11:24:53 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 15, 2021, 08:14:42 PM
9-11 this year sound like a good date to shoot for ?

Nope. Because we will just have to come back anyway.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #290 on: April 16, 2021, 11:25:54 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 15, 2021, 08:18:24 PM
Damn Russkis

At least the sanctions spigot was turned back on.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #291 on: April 17, 2021, 08:36:42 AM »
I suppose the Intelligence Community asessment and the sanctions should help in negotiating the Ukraine-Russia brouhaha.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #292 on: April 17, 2021, 08:43:14 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 16, 2021, 11:24:53 PM
Nope. Because we will just have to come back anyway.
How about 2041 ?
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #293 on: April 17, 2021, 09:57:19 AM »
Quote from: Mn on April 17, 2021, 08:36:42 AM
I suppose the Intelligence Community asessment and the sanctions should help in negotiating the Ukraine-Russia brouhaha.

Gotta use all the levers with Vlad.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #294 on: April 17, 2021, 11:11:13 AM »
Quote from: fucking on April 16, 2021, 07:07:15 PM
You're suggesting that John Jay, Hamilton and Madison just might be one person?

Nope, just emphasizing the father of the constitution's take. I think it was Madison who assumed there would be many factions. Also, while he was concerned about the power of the central government, he saw local factions / government as potentially worse.

This is his definition of faction:

   "a number of citizens, whether amounting to a minority or majority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community."

Not necessarily how we would define a political party in the US. More like European  parties, or caucuses? within US parties.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #295 on: April 17, 2021, 11:56:08 AM »
Quote from: ridingthegrange on April 17, 2021, 09:57:19 AM
Gotta use all the levers with Vlad.

Huge blunder.  If we learned anything over the last four years, it is that love letters and theatrical summits are the most effective ways to deal with dangerous autocrats.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #296 on: April 17, 2021, 04:09:33 PM »
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #297 on: April 17, 2021, 04:38:03 PM »
Quote from: fucking on April 17, 2021, 04:09:33 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._9

"Men of factious tempers, of local prejudices, or of sinister designs, may, by intrigue, by corruption, or by other means, first obtain the suffrages, and then betray the interests, of the people. The question resulting is, whether small or extensive republics are more favorable to the election of proper guardians of the public weal; and it is clearly decided in favor of the latter by two obvious considerations:"

"The smaller the society, the fewer probably will be the distinct parties and interests composing it; the fewer the distinct parties and interests, the more frequently will a majority be found of the same party; and the smaller the number of individuals composing a majority, and the smaller the compass within which they are placed, the more easily will they concert and execute their plans of oppression. Extend the sphere, and you take in a greater variety of parties and interests; you make it less probable that a majority of the whole will have a common motive to invade the rights of other citizens; or if such a common motive exists, it will be more difficult for all who feel it to discover their own strength, and to act in unison with each other."

https://billofrightsinstitute.org/primary-sources/federalist-no-10
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #298 on: May 21, 2021, 01:02:00 PM »
Former President Trump has charged Secret Service more than $40,000 for space at Mar-a-Lago since leaving office for a security detail intended to protect Trump, The Washington Post reported on Friday.


Trump charged the U.S. government more than $2.5 million while he was in office
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/554699-trump-has-charged-secret-service-more-than-40k-mar-a-lago-space
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
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