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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6180 on: September 23, 2025, 02:06:49 PM »




Tempo34: “I want dignity and equality of opportunity for all, a higher standard of living for all, and healthcare for all.”

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« Reply #6181 on: September 23, 2025, 02:08:53 PM »




Tempo34: “I want dignity and equality of opportunity for all, a higher standard of living for all, and healthcare for all.”

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6182 on: September 23, 2025, 02:09:44 PM »


Tempo34: “I want dignity and equality of opportunity for all, a higher standard of living for all, and healthcare for all.”

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« Reply #6183 on: September 23, 2025, 02:10:37 PM »
LOL, the sky is falling!! You’re the unhinged one. Do you seriously believe the shit you type, like above?!

It’s all quite factual. So yes, I believe it. Do you believe Tylenol causes autism?
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« Reply #6184 on: September 23, 2025, 02:11:55 PM »
Judy, do you think eliminating vaccines makes our country “healthier?”
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« Reply #6185 on: September 23, 2025, 02:15:35 PM »
LOL, the sky is falling!! You’re the unhinged one. Do you seriously believe the shit you type, like above?!

Why do you think Trump is so unpopular in most of the rest of the world? “They hate our freedom! They hate how much ass we kick! Derp”

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/06/11/us-image-declines-in-many-nations-amid-low-confidence-in-trump/
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6186 on: September 23, 2025, 02:44:04 PM »
John Deere is cutting jobs because farmers aren’t buying new equipment, it happens every time we have large carry out numbers and crop prices slump. They’ve been bad for nearly two years. Soybean prices are pretty much identical to last fall. Those are objective facts.

It also happens when we allow a tin pot dictator in Russia to invade one of John Deere's largest markets without consequence due to GOP feebleheads refusing to send appropriate response arms, completely eliminating exports to that market.

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« Reply #6187 on: September 23, 2025, 02:46:13 PM »
I do enjoy seeing people argue with someone who actually works in ag.

Everything he said was bullshit.

My source - my Father in Law owns a John Deere dealership.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6188 on: September 23, 2025, 02:57:17 PM »
I do enjoy seeing people argue with someone who actually works in ag.

Are the tariffs hurting the soybean market currently? Yes. But they were also bad last year and the year before. Why? Because supply exceeded demand and the big speculators took their profits and ran. Ag is cyclical.

There was a big run up in prices during the pandemic as speculator money moved into commodities. John Deere (and others) increased production in response; and now they are doing the opposite since the market has cooled. It’s what they always do. But you get these one sided myopic hit pieces that only tell you it’s because tariffs. Nonsense.

I don’t believe this administration is going to let American farmers wither on the vine. I already have said here that if what Jobu said comes to fruition, I’ll own it. There are a lot of rumors of direct payments being issued this year to help struggling farmers. (which some will call socialism and mock the Trump voters for taking payments, but Ray might more correctly refer to as a centralized safety net for a critical industry)

The closest thing I’ve seen to a good ag take on this board is Murph saying our food system is broken, subsidized monoculture farming is bad for the environment, etc. Both are true. But arguing for no subsidies means a shift to continued consolidation to the point where the entire nation is farmed by a few mega farmers, which isn’t good either. We need a shift to more diverse crops and less dependence on raising too much corn and soybeans every year and hoping there is a market.

I always use the analogy of a T Shirt company. What kind of t shirt company would make as many of the same two styles of t shirts as they possibly could every single year, then hope they sold enough/got enough margin to do it all over again next year? And the next, and the next… None. But that’s what farmers are incentivized to do, which is against all the laws of economics. We want cheap and abundant food, but these are the consequences. The trade spat with China is just an exacerbation of the underlying economics problem that’s plagued ag for generations. Besides, China was grooming Brazil to be their bean supplier clear back when I was a grain merchandiser/broker for Cargill in the mid 2000s.

We need a federal safety net for one of our most critical industries, of which ag  is certainly one. But what we really need is major reform to our entire food  system. I’d start with a shift away from some corn acres to plant protein acres, backed with incentives to get people to buy products made with those rather than Cheetos and Doritos and other shit. Slowly roll back ethanol mandates and place restrictions on synthetic fertilizers and some chemicals. Also we could probably go back to some form of a set aside program to take some acres out of production and reduce domestic supply to keep it more in line with demand.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6189 on: September 23, 2025, 03:27:22 PM »
Are the tariffs hurting the soybean market currently? Yes. But they were also bad last year and the year before. Why? Because supply exceeded demand and the big speculators took their profits and ran. Ag is cyclical.

There was a big run up in prices during the pandemic as speculator money moved into commodities. John Deere (and others) increased production in response; and now they are doing the opposite since the market has cooled. It’s what they always do. But you get these one sided myopic hit pieces that only tell you it’s because tariffs. Nonsense.

I don’t believe this administration is going to let American farmers wither on the vine. I already have said here that if what Jobu said comes to fruition, I’ll own it. There are a lot of rumors of direct payments being issued this year to help struggling farmers. (which some will call socialism and mock the Trump voters for taking payments, but Ray might more correctly refer to as a centralized safety net for a critical industry)

The closest thing I’ve seen to a good ag take on this board is Murph saying our food system is broken, subsidized monoculture farming is bad for the environment, etc. Both are true. But arguing for no subsidies means a shift to continued consolidation to the point where the entire nation is farmed by a few mega farmers, which isn’t good either. We need a shift to more diverse crops and less dependence on raising too much corn and soybeans every year and hoping there is a market.

I always use the analogy of a T Shirt company. What kind of t shirt company would make as many of the same two styles of t shirts as they possibly could every single year, then hope they sold enough/got enough margin to do it all over again next year? And the next, and the next… None. But that’s what farmers are incentivized to do, which is against all the laws of economics. We want cheap and abundant food, but these are the consequences. The trade spat with China is just an exacerbation of the underlying economics problem that’s plagued ag for generations. Besides, China was grooming Brazil to be their bean supplier clear back when I was a grain merchandiser/broker for Cargill in the mid 2000s.

We need a federal safety net for one of our most critical industries, of which ag  is certainly one. But what we really need is major reform to our entire food  system. I’d start with a shift away from some corn acres to plant protein acres, backed with incentives to get people to buy products made with those rather than Cheetos and Doritos and other shit. Slowly roll back ethanol mandates and place restrictions on synthetic fertilizers and some chemicals. Also we could probably go back to some form of a set aside program to take some acres out of production and reduce domestic supply to keep it more in line with demand.

Harvest season is well underway and the Trump Administration doesn't have a concept of a plan.
Farmers are now just part of the mass of people hurt by his foolish trade policy.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6190 on: September 23, 2025, 03:53:16 PM »
Are the tariffs hurting the soybean market currently? Yes.

I don’t believe this administration is going to let American farmers wither on the vine. I already have said here that if what Jobu said comes to fruition, I’ll own it. There are a lot of rumors of direct payments being issued this year to help struggling farmers. (which some will call socialism and mock the Trump voters for taking payments, but Ray might more correctly refer to as a centralized safety net for a critical industry)

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Well then DON'T DO THIS

If agriculture is this critical industry as you say in this long post, why would we adopt an economic policy that is bad for our critical industry? To the point we then need to take money from other taxpayers to plug the hole?

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« Reply #6191 on: September 23, 2025, 03:57:04 PM »
The closest thing I’ve seen to a good ag take on this board is Murph saying our food system is broken, subsidized monoculture farming is bad for the environment, etc. Both are true. But arguing for no subsidies means a shift to continued consolidation to the point where the entire nation is farmed by a few mega farmers, which isn’t good either. We need a shift to more diverse crops and less dependence on raising too much corn and soybeans every year and hoping there is a market.

We need a federal safety net for one of our most critical industries, of which ag  is certainly one. But what we really need is major reform to our entire food  system. I’d start with a shift away from some corn acres to plant protein acres, backed with incentives to get people to buy products made with those rather than Cheetos and Doritos and other shit. Slowly roll back ethanol mandates and place restrictions on synthetic fertilizers and some chemicals. Also we could probably go back to some form of a set aside program to take some acres out of production and reduce domestic supply to keep it more in line with demand.

This is pretty odd.

We're too dependent on corn and soybeans. So we need to shift away from corn to more protein. The biggest direct protein being planted... is soybeans. We should take out corn and put in more soybeans? And then be dependent on just one crop?

FWIW - the corn you see out there *is* protein. Yes, there is a lot of HFCS produced with it, and the silly ethanol, but the majority is still feed corn to feed cows, which ... is protein.

Help me out here, what am I reading wrong? Seriously.

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« Reply #6192 on: September 23, 2025, 06:02:09 PM »
This is pretty odd.

We're too dependent on corn and soybeans. So we need to shift away from corn to more protein. The biggest direct protein being planted... is soybeans. We should take out corn and put in more soybeans? And then be dependent on just one crop?

FWIW - the corn you see out there *is* protein. Yes, there is a lot of HFCS produced with it, and the silly ethanol, but the majority is still feed corn to feed cows, which ... is protein.

Help me out here, what am I reading wrong? Seriously.

I was gonna ask what he meant. There are other legumes we could grow. Peanuts, garbanzos, kidney beans, pinto beans, black beans, etc.

Another possibility is fish farming.

When I was growing up, there was a lot of ditch weed. They said it was residual from industrial hemp grown for making rope during WW II. Not food,, but that is another possible future cash crop.

Something I hate to see is prime farmland used for solar farms and other commercial development..
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6193 on: September 23, 2025, 06:25:54 PM »
I was gonna ask what he meant. There are other legumes we could grow. Peanuts, garbanzos, kidney beans, pinto beans, black beans, etc.

Another possibility is fish farming.

When I was growing up, there was a lot of ditch weed. They said it was residual from industrial hemp grown for making rope during WW II. Not food,, but that is another possible future cash crop.

Something I hate to see is prime farmland used for solar farms and other commercial development..

With China pivoting away from the U.S. soybean market, I'll do my part and purchase a tofurky for Thanksgiving.

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« Reply #6194 on: September 23, 2025, 06:52:59 PM »
Something I hate to see is prime farmland used for solar farms and other commercial development..

If we are growing corn, which has a lot of inputs (fertilizer, water, pesticides, farm equipment) and which depletes the prime farmland over time, to produce ethanol (after shipping it on trains to the ethanol plant and on trucks to blend at refineries) to put in gas tanks, and instead we put in solar panels to power electric vehicles, transmitting that power on power lines, seems like a win to me. You can remove solar panels, you can't fix depleted land or restore water tables.