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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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ridingthegrange

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The only reason Trump took charge of the DC police is to have someone to hold the doors of the Capitol open in January 2029 when he's tying for another term.

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Yep. Crime is down when felonies get charged as not reportable.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-police-commander-suspended-crime-statistics/3959566/

“When management officials are directing officers to take reports for felony assault, or if they're going back into police databases and changing offenses to felony assault, felony assault is not a category of crime that's listed on the department's daily crime stats,” Pemberton said. “It's also not something that's a requirement of the FBI's uniform crime reporting program. So, by changing criminal offenses from, for example, ADW bat or ADW gun to felony assault, that would avoid both the MPD and the FBI from reporting that as a part one or a felony offense.”

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I am betting that is happening there, but it would not surprise me that it is happening everywhere.
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Cops or National Guard on the street corner act as a deterrent. Cmon Nichi. Betting AI may even tell you that.

Maybe temporarily, but it it still a reaction, not prevention. Plus, you want to live like that?

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AI Overview

The impact of police on crime prevention is complex and not definitively conclusive. While some studies suggest a correlation between increased police presence and reduced crime rates, others show mixed results or no significant impact. It's also important to consider that focusing solely on police interventions may overlook other crucial factors like socioeconomic conditions and community support.

Arguments for police preventing crime:

Deterrence:
Increased police presence can deter potential criminals through the perceived risk of apprehension.

Response to crime:
Police respond to emergency calls, potentially mitigating the severity of crimes in progress and apprehending offenders.

Data-driven strategies:
Police departments use data analytics to identify crime hotspots and allocate resources effectively, potentially preventing future incidents.

Community policing:
Community policing strategies, where officers build relationships with residents, can foster trust and cooperation, leading to better information flow and crime prevention.

Arguments against police preventing crime:

Mixed evidence:
Studies on the impact of police on crime have yielded mixed results, with some finding no significant correlation or even negative impacts.

Focus on reactive policing:
Police often focus on responding to crimes after they occur, rather than preventing them proactively.

Potential for unintended consequences:
Increased police presence can lead to increased arrests for minor offenses, disproportionately affecting marginalized communities.

Alternative approaches:
Some argue that focusing on social programs, poverty reduction, and mental health services can be more effective in preventing crime in the long run.

Historical context:
Some critics argue that the origins of policing in the US are rooted in maintaining social order and protecting property rather than preventing crime.
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Maybe temporarily, but it it still a reaction, not prevention. Plus, you want to live like that?

I'd love to have a cop or National GuardsMAN patrolling the park where I take the PassiveDog. Some dude was pissing on a tree right by the street as people were walking right by him with their dogs today!
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I agree Nichi, let's reopen the loony bins and get the homeless junkies and crazies off the streets. They certainly are not utilizing the available services (because they are junkies and/or crazy).
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Maybe temporarily, but it it still a reaction, not prevention. Plus, you want to live like that?


It beats getting temporarily mugged or temporarily murdered.

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ThePAMan

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It beats getting temporarily mugged or temporarily murdered.

Nichi should volunteer to be beaten up and carjacked. You know, since crime is (allegedly) down.
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AI Overview

The impact of police on crime prevention is complex and not definitively conclusive. While some studies suggest a correlation between increased police presence and reduced crime rates, others show mixed results or no significant impact. It's also important to consider that focusing solely on police interventions may overlook other crucial factors like socioeconomic conditions and community support.

Arguments for police preventing crime:

Deterrence:
Increased police presence can deter potential criminals through the perceived risk of apprehension.

Response to crime:
Police respond to emergency calls, potentially mitigating the severity of crimes in progress and apprehending offenders.

Data-driven strategies:
Police departments use data analytics to identify crime hotspots and allocate resources effectively, potentially preventing future incidents.

Community policing:
Community policing strategies, where officers build relationships with residents, can foster trust and cooperation, leading to better information flow and crime prevention.

Arguments against police preventing crime:

Mixed evidence:
Studies on the impact of police on crime have yielded mixed results, with some finding no significant correlation or even negative impacts.

Focus on reactive policing:
Police often focus on responding to crimes after they occur, rather than preventing them proactively.

Potential for unintended consequences:
Increased police presence can lead to increased arrests for minor offenses, disproportionately affecting marginalized communities.

Alternative approaches:
Some argue that focusing on social programs, poverty reduction, and mental health services can be more effective in preventing crime in the long run.

Historical context:
Some critics argue that the origins of policing in the US are rooted in maintaining social order and protecting property rather than preventing crime.

Hello illiniray. We finally meet. Please let me take it from here.

The short answer: Yes, visible police or National Guard presence can reduce some types of crime in the short term — but the effects are often temporary, uneven, and dependent on context.

Here’s the nuance:

1. Short-term deterrence (“visible guardianship” effect)

Studies show that an obvious law enforcement presence (foot patrols, vehicle patrols, or uniformed National Guard in emergencies) can reduce opportunistic crimes like theft, burglary, and vandalism in the immediate area.

This works through deterrence — the risk of being caught feels higher, so some people refrain from committing crimes.

2. Displacement vs. suppression

In many cases, crime doesn’t disappear; it moves to nearby areas without the same security presence.

This is especially true for crimes involving motivated offenders who aren’t deterred by uniformed presence (organized theft, certain violent crimes).

3. Type of crime matters

Property crimes tend to drop more sharply with visible patrols.

Spontaneous violent crimes (like bar fights) may decrease slightly, but premeditated or emotionally charged violence is less affected.

Drug markets may “go quiet” while officers are present, then resume afterward.

4. Long-term effects are limited

Unless the presence is sustained and paired with broader community engagement, crime rates often return to baseline once officers or troops leave.

In some cases, prolonged militarized presence can harm community trust, which may make crime prevention harder in the long run.

5. Special case — National Guard

The National Guard is usually deployed during disasters or civil unrest, not for routine policing.

Their presence can immediately suppress looting or rioting, but they are not trained for day-to-day community crime prevention in the same way police are.
Just what do you think you're doing, illiniray?

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Trump's MO. Someone can the worst person to ever walk the earth one day, and a great person a few days later.

Preferably if he can drive down and then bring back up the stock of a Fortune 500 company for his cronies to front run

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Crime is down compared to ridiculous highs a few years ago when deep blue cities decided to just let criminals do whatever the fuck they wanted. Being from SF, you should be deeply familiar with this phenomenon.

All the major news outlets scrambling now to cherry pick data that support DC isn’t worse than other shitholes, just on par with them!

Independent data analysis says otherwise:

https://crimegrade.org/safest-places-in-washington-dc/

DC firmly gets an F grade in each of the 4 major categories: Overall crime, violent crime, other crime, and property crime.

I feel safer in SF than I would in say, rural Kentucky.
Rand Paul is a US Senator, he got his ass kicked in Kentucky, but never in DC.

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Tourism is down because of Trump? Maybe it’s because California allowed their tourist attraction cities to fester into empty dystopian hellscapes.

While I agree with you that Disneyland is a dystopian hellscape - I'm not really sure that explains the lower tourism numbers in Yosemite. Maybe Newsom needed to stop Alex Honnold from free soloing El Capitan and scaring the shit out of everyone. And how does California doing so explain the cratering numbers at Disney World in Orlando?

The worst tourism decline in the US happening right now? Las Vegas, and it's not even close.
Presumably the fault of their Governor - former Clark County Sheriff, Republican Governor Joe Lombardo.
In 2024, Vegas had rebounded to pre-covid levels of tourism, this year it's down double digits and dropping.

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illiniray

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It beats getting temporarily mugged or temporarily murdered.

Except you are looking at committing a permanent occupation force. If not, the temporary muggings and murders resume as soon as the beefed up police presence is gone. Plus, a long term heavy police presence only further alienates the local community.

Sadly, your Party is unwilling to commit the resources needed to address the underlying causes of urban crime. They won't even admit to the underlying causes.
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I feel safer in SF than I would in say, rural Kentucky.
Rand Paul is a US Senator, he got his ass kicked in Kentucky, but never in DC.

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