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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1290 on: May 21, 2024, 06:23:26 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on May 20, 2024, 10:14:36 PM
The other crimes included violating NY election laws +
This is the 1st that I've seen that NY election laws were violated. And I'm not sure that what the felony charge is has been stated.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1291 on: May 21, 2024, 06:39:05 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 20, 2024, 08:19:49 PM
Trump's attorneys, for whatever reason, denied the rationale behind the payment.
If some woman tries to extort you over your banging her even tho she signs a statement saying that you didn't, you say that you didn't, and your lawyer doesn't believe the story, what comes to mind ?
1st, hopefully MrsThePAMan.
2nd, your job. Or your business.
3rd, whether or not you may lose the race for city council is really not that important. Or POTUS if you make it that far.  ;D

If TSJ gets convicted, guilty or not, there's a pretty good chance that the damage to his character will remain with him forever. Jobs and positions come and go.
Costello will say that the 1st thing that Cohen mentioned was Melania. Apparently the jury isn't supposed to hear those portrayals of the conversations between Costello and Cohen.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1292 on: May 21, 2024, 06:40:43 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 20, 2024, 10:11:21 PM
If they had smell-o-rama it would have had big ratings
It is smell-oo-rama. It's ok to admit it.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1293 on: May 21, 2024, 06:47:17 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on May 20, 2024, 10:11:48 PM
"Under New York law, falsification of business records is increased from a misdemeanor to a felony by linking that falsification to the “intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof.” "
What is the "crime" ? There are assumptions but I don't believe anyone has specified what "crime" that the defense should be arguing.
The SDNY wouldn't pursue a campaign violation.
The FEC wouldn't pursue a campaign violation.
Bragg, after running on the promise of holding Trump accountable, initially declined to pursue.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1294 on: May 21, 2024, 06:49:53 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 20, 2024, 10:14:01 PM
Ok, I understand.

Wasn't Costello there to controvert Cohen's credibility on certain things? Wasn't he Guiliani's counsel?
Yep, and the judge doesn't want the jury to hear it. He's a former prosecutor at SDNY. I think Costello knows his way around a courtroom.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1295 on: May 21, 2024, 06:54:20 AM »
It’s literally throwing anything at the wall and hope it sticks kind of shit. The prosecution doesn’t really know what the charge they should be arguing is either. Just drag everything out as long as possible if nothing sticks is the strategy.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1296 on: May 21, 2024, 06:59:43 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 20, 2024, 10:21:00 PM
Didn't the judge preclude the FEC guy from testifying as it was the jury's job to determine if election laws were broken instead of his opinion?
Some legal "experts" were undoubtedly behind the decision to bootstrap the expired misdemeanors to intent to commit a "crime".
The FEC wouldn't pursue an election violation and yet a former FEC commissioner isn't allowed to rebut the prosecution position for the defense ?
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1297 on: May 21, 2024, 07:07:34 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on May 20, 2024, 10:23:40 PM
"Bragg has identified the federal law under which the Southern District charged Cohen, the Federal Election Campaign Act, as a possible “object offense,” that is, the intended or concealed crime that raises the misdemeanor to a felony. Bragg has explained in court filings how FECA also feeds into another potential object offense under New York Election Law § 17-152, which criminalizes conspiring to “promote … the election of any person by unlawful means”—such as, Bragg has suggested, by violating federal election law. "
When did local DAs starting charging "violations" of federal election law ?

And how many local DAs are there in this country who will gain some precedence with respect to charging federal election law crimes ?
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1298 on: May 21, 2024, 07:17:38 AM »
Merchan to the defense after their request to stop the case from going to the jury :
"You said his lies are irrefutable. But you think he's going to fool 12 New Yorkers into believing this lie ?"

Lol. Yep, limit defense testimony and that's the idea.
The prosecution brings a porn star and a convicted perjurer.
The defense wants to bring a former federal prosecutor at SDNY and a former FEC commissioner.
Nope, we'll have none of that.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1299 on: May 21, 2024, 07:21:51 AM »
Quote from: No one on May 21, 2024, 06:39:05 AM
If some woman tries to extort you over your banging her even tho she signs a statement saying that you didn't, you say that you didn't, and your lawyer doesn't believe the story, what comes to mind ?
1st, hopefully MrsThePAMan.
2nd, your job. Or your business.
3rd, whether or not you may lose the race for city council is really not that important. Or POTUS if you make it that far.  ;D

If TSJ gets convicted, guilty or not, there's a pretty good chance that the damage to his character will remain with him forever. Jobs and positions come and go.
Costello will say that the 1st thing that Cohen mentioned was Melania. Apparently the jury isn't supposed to hear those portrayals of the conversations between Costello and Cohen.

Trump isn't The PAMan and was running for President and had the Grab Them video already come out. Trump is free to testify about why they did what he did and refute the testimony that's been presented. Let's see if he does it.

Didn't Cohen testify that he lied to Costello too? Thought he did. Costello's testimony wouldn't be refuting testimony that Cohen already admitted to.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1300 on: May 21, 2024, 07:22:15 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on May 21, 2024, 06:54:20 AM
It’s literally throwing anything at the wall and hope it sticks kind of shit. The prosecution doesn’t really know what the charge they should be arguing is either. Just drag everything out as long as possible if nothing sticks is the strategy.
They want what Bragg campaigned and won election on, a pre-election conviction. The appeal will have to be won post-election.

It's not a drag it out scenario.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1301 on: May 21, 2024, 07:23:44 AM »
Quote from: No one on May 21, 2024, 07:17:38 AM
Merchan to the defense after their request to stop the case from going to the jury :
"You said his lies are irrefutable. But you think he's going to fool 12 New Yorkers into believing this lie ?"

Lol. Yep, limit defense testimony and that's the idea.
The prosecution brings a porn star and a convicted perjurer.
The defense wants to bring a former federal prosecutor at SDNY and a former FEC commissioner.
Nope, we'll have none of that.

It sounds like Costello was supposed to keep tabs on Cohen to make sure he never flipped. Doesn't look like Costello did a very good job.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1302 on: May 21, 2024, 07:24:27 AM »
Quote from: No one on May 21, 2024, 07:22:15 AM
They want what Bragg campaigned and won election on, a pre-election conviction. The appeal will have to be won post-election.

It's not a drag it out scenario.

Unlike what is going on in Judge Cannon's court room.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1303 on: May 21, 2024, 07:25:28 AM »
Quote from: No one on May 21, 2024, 07:07:34 AM
When did local DAs starting charging "violations" of federal election law ?

And how many local DAs are there in this country who will gain some precedence with respect to charging federal election law crimes ?

How unique is the NY law on books and records? You may have your answer there.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1304 on: May 21, 2024, 07:28:54 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 21, 2024, 07:21:51 AM
Trump isn't The PAMan and was running for President and had the Grab Them video already come out. Trump is free to testify about why they did what he did and refute the testimony that's been presented. Let's see if he does it.

Didn't Cohen testify that he lied to Costello too? Thought he did. Costello's testimony wouldn't be refuting testimony that Cohen already admitted to.
Trump won't testify due to prosecution efforts.
You're sounding like one of those 12 New Yorkers who are hoped to believe that Cohen isn't a liar.
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