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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2021, 03:46:40 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on December 02, 2021, 03:27:00 PM
The big unknown here is just how much the electorate actually cares about abortion rights.  I will chance that the electorate might care if their legislature is going to fully outlaw the procedure or ban it after some extremely short period like six weeks.  No exceptions for incest or rape might make people care as well, as Republicans found out about a decade ago.

Well that is why people are just moving out of Texas in droves....{checks notes}....oh, wait....
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2021, 03:47:22 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 02, 2021, 03:38:39 PM
So let me get this straight.  Tempo—bleeding heart liberal—wants to take away 50 years of women’s autonomy because he thinks it’ll end the Republican Party. Am I understanding this correctly?

Uh, you have seen his posts about the Bear losing so everyone gets fired, right?
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2021, 03:48:39 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 02, 2021, 03:47:22 PM
Uh, you have seen his posts about the Bear losing so everyone gets fired, right?

Yeah and I thought about that before posting but this is on such a different level.
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2021, 03:51:46 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 02, 2021, 03:48:39 PM
Yeah and I thought about the before posting but this is on such a different level.

Bears >>>> Roe v. Wade!
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2021, 04:14:15 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 02, 2021, 03:38:39 PM
So let me get this straight.  Tempo—bleeding heart liberal—wants to take away 50 years of women’s autonomy because he thinks it’ll end the Republican Party. Am I understanding this correctly?

Only briefly. Willing to take short-term losses for long-term gains. I’m nothing if not a pragmatist.
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2021, 04:15:31 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 02, 2021, 03:47:22 PM
Uh, you have seen his posts about the Bear losing so everyone gets fired, right?

I’m a big picture guy.
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2021, 04:30:07 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 02, 2021, 03:41:27 PM
My problem isn’t with abortion per say. My beliefs are against it, yes, but I’m just against using taxpayer funds to do it. If the people wanna get an abortion, let them get an abortion and pay for it out of pocket or suffer the consequences. Once they see how much it costs and/or how risky it is, then they might be a little more cautious. Why should I be responsible for someone else’s bad decisions?! I agree there are extreme circumstances like incest or rape that should be handled on a case by case basis preferably in the courts if needed. The government has their hands regulating too many things, and once they touch something, it usually turns to shit.

Now I don’t think that’s too extreme or unreasonable.

Abortion is a lot more safe than childbirth, and for many it's arguably more safe than parenthood. It's certainly a lot cheaper than parenthood
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2021, 04:31:39 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 02, 2021, 03:46:40 PM
Well that is why people are just moving out of Texas in droves....{checks notes}....oh, wait....
Well, the Mexicans are, but not really "moving", more like "being invited to leave in a truck"
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2021, 04:32:57 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 02, 2021, 03:46:40 PM
Well that is why people are just moving out of Texas in droves....{checks notes}....oh, wait....

Come on, moving your place of residence and voting in the upcoming election are two entirely different things.   

Interestingly, Texas has a so-called trigger law on abortion. 
“Texas legislators have ensured the state is ready if Roe v. Wade is overturned — ‘wholly or partly’ — by this case or any future ruling.  Last June, Texas joined 11 other states by enacting a measure that automatically bans abortion after Roe is overturned without having to call a special legislative session.”

“The law includes a narrow exception to save the life of the mother — but not for rape, incest, fetal abnormalities or other circumstances.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/11/30/texas-mississippi-abortion-supreme-court/

And as you know, SCOTUS has not ruled on Texas’ most recent efforts to limit abortion.

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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2021, 04:37:17 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2021, 02:36:12 PM
I hope they overturn it. It’ll be the final nail the GOP coffin.

If it's the final nail in the GOP coffin, it won't be because a lot of people are pissed off about abortion rights. The people for whom abortion rights is a big enough issue to get them to vote, are already voting, and certainly aren't in the GOP.

More likely, if Roe vs Wade is overturned, then the GOP will have lost their wedge issue that keeps the anti-abortion folks in the fold despite the GOP being against their economic interests.
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2021, 04:44:06 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on December 02, 2021, 04:30:07 PM
Abortion is a lot more safe than childbirth, and for many it's arguably more safe than parenthood. It's certainly a lot cheaper than parenthood

Great! So make them pay for it. It’s their choice.
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2021, 05:20:10 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2021, 04:14:15 PM
Only briefly. Willing to take short-term losses for long-term gains. I’m nothing if not a pragmatist.

A pretty big 'short term loss', especially from someone for whom I presume it isn't really an issue at this point.  And one with no guarantee whatsoever - in fact I think you could argue less than even odds - of being overturned.
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2021, 05:21:56 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on December 02, 2021, 04:37:17 PM
More likely, if Roe vs Wade is overturned, then the GOP will have lost their wedge issue that keeps the anti-abortion folks in the fold despite the GOP being against their economic interests.
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2021, 06:22:24 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on December 02, 2021, 04:37:17 PM
If it's the final nail in the GOP coffin, it won't be because a lot of people are pissed off about abortion rights. The people for whom abortion rights is a big enough issue to get them to vote, are already voting, and certainly aren't in the GOP.

More likely, if Roe vs Wade is overturned, then the GOP will have lost their wedge issue that keeps the anti-abortion folks in the fold despite the GOP being against their economic interests.

Depending on the outcome, I will be watching races in purple states where you have a Democratic governor and Republican legislature.   State legislative proposals that would outlaw all or most abortions could scramble things by putting a renewed practical focus on abortion rights. 

Polls have shown that plenty of people "care" about abortion rights, but it's yet to be seen if it's an animating factor for independents/suburban women and that's where elections are often won and lost.

I’m not getting my hopes up.   
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Re: Roe v Wade
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2021, 07:04:31 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 02, 2021, 05:20:10 PM
A pretty big 'short term loss', especially from someone for whom I presume it isn't really an issue at this point.  And one with no guarantee whatsoever - in fact I think you could argue less than even odds - of being overturned.

https://twitter.com/susansarandon/status/1466410059278307332?s=21
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