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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2021, 01:24:30 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on August 23, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
I agree, firing Pace “should” be a no-brainer if they tank; but we’re talking about the Bears, so who knows?

If they truly go under .500 and keep Pace and Nagy, there will be outrage - and rightfully so.  They opened the window, if they can't win in that window then any rational actor would find someone who might be able to while the window's still open.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2021, 02:35:40 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on August 23, 2021, 01:23:29 PM
Yes, he had a solid roster and a great defense, no doubt.  That doesn't discredit him as much to me as it does to you.  Winning NFL games just isn't easy.  Most great coaches in all sports come with great rosters.  Very few coaches have carried mediocre talent to the promised land.

On the flip side of the defense, he's had a bad-to-awful offensive line and pretty brutal QB play for most of his time in Chicago.  Those are tough things to overcome for anyone.  And he certainly deserves some blame, especially for the QB play and playcalling, but not all of it.

He’s had one good year and a couple mediocre ones. His offense has been utter garbage for most of three years. He’s also had the fortune of playing in a weak division and expanded playoffs. He’s been “ok” but if he isn’t handed a generational defense he’d probably be unemployed already.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2021, 02:36:22 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on August 23, 2021, 01:24:30 PM
If they truly go under .500 and keep Pace and Nagy, there will be outrage - and rightfully so.  They opened the window, if they can't win in that window then any rational actor would find someone who might be able to while the window's still open.

It’s possible drafting Fields bought them two years. Only because of Fields.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2021, 02:42:01 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on August 23, 2021, 01:24:30 PM
If they truly go under .500 and keep Pace and Nagy, there will be outrage - and rightfully so.  They opened the window, if they can't win in that window then any rational actor would find someone who might be able to while the window's still open.

Rational and Bears’ ownership don’t often go together. They are notoriously slow to make big changes, especially when they “like” someone.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2021, 02:43:23 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on August 23, 2021, 02:35:40 PM
He’s had one good year and a couple mediocre ones. His offense has been utter garbage for most of three years. He’s also had the fortune of playing in a weak division and expanded playoffs. He’s been “ok” but if he isn’t handed a generational defense he’d probably be unemployed already.

Maybe true, but also true for so many great coaches in various ways.  Good players make coaches look good.  It's the way of it in sports.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2021, 02:45:52 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on August 23, 2021, 02:43:23 PM
Maybe true, but also true for so many great coaches in various ways.  Good players make coaches look good.  It's the way of it in sports.

Again, you’re comparing basically one pretty successful year (his first, which he had little impact on other than having the headset) to longer and sustained success. Just about any dope could let Vic Fangio run his once in decade defense and stay out of the way.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2021, 03:07:44 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on August 23, 2021, 02:45:52 PM
Again, you’re comparing basically one pretty successful year (his first, which he had little impact on other than having the headset) to longer and sustained success. Just about any dope could let Vic Fangio run his once in decade defense and stay out of the way.

Yeah, I mean, I just don't agree with your last sentence at all.  It's never easy to win games in the NFL, and talent doesn't do it by itself.  No one's just rolling the ball out there.

But obviously, if you're willing to say about his most successful season "he had little impact on it", you and I aren't going to agree here.  That just isn't a real thing.

What do you think Belichick - rightfully considered the GOAT - 's record is without Tom Brady?  Does the fact that he had Tom Brady for the huge majority of his career lessen his quality to you?  It doesn't to me.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2021, 03:42:16 PM »
Jobu dropped the ball here. The correct response to a topically redundant late night Tempo post is to ignore it.

C'mon guys.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2021, 06:34:12 PM »
Tempo v. Spark! Seems like the old days. Where is mini ditka? Royko?
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2021, 07:19:47 PM »
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2021, 08:20:57 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on August 23, 2021, 03:07:44 PM
Yeah, I mean, I just don't agree with your last sentence at all.  It's never easy to win games in the NFL, and talent doesn't do it by itself.  No one's just rolling the ball out there.

But obviously, if you're willing to say about his most successful season "he had little impact on it", you and I aren't going to agree here.  That just isn't a real thing.

What do you think Belichick - rightfully considered the GOAT - 's record is without Tom Brady?  Does the fact that he had Tom Brady for the huge majority of his career lessen his quality to you?  It doesn't to me.

You don’t have to agree with it to be true. Face it, I’ve been correct on the Bears all along. Including the Mack deal. Which as I said at the time, was a textbook example of putting the cart before the horse. It’s laughable to think Nagy had any serious affect on the 2018 defense. He didn’t touch defense and has even said so in fairly plain words.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2021, 08:22:38 PM »
Quote from: fucking on August 23, 2021, 03:42:16 PM
Jobu dropped the ball here. The correct response to a topically redundant late night Tempo post is to ignore it.

C'mon guys.

Fucking is a poor username for you. You should be known as Fuckboi.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2021, 08:23:56 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on August 23, 2021, 03:07:44 PM
Yeah, I mean, I just don't agree with your last sentence at all.  It's never easy to win games in the NFL, and talent doesn't do it by itself.  No one's just rolling the ball out there.

But obviously, if you're willing to say about his most successful season "he had little impact on it", you and I aren't going to agree here.  That just isn't a real thing.

What do you think Belichick - rightfully considered the GOAT - 's record is without Tom Brady?  Does the fact that he had Tom Brady for the huge majority of his career lessen his quality to you?  It doesn't to me.

Is “impact on it” was he stayed out of Fangio’s way and didn’t screw things up (for the most part).
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2021, 08:24:25 PM »
Although I could easily argue Nagy cost them at least two regular season wins that year.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2021, 08:25:20 PM »
Matt Nagy stinks.
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