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Matt Nagy
« on: August 22, 2021, 01:02:27 AM »
Anyone here still think he’s good? I’ll be fairly shocked if he’s still here in 2023. Thought about putting this is the spicy takes thread, but thought he deserved his own thread.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2021, 11:47:21 AM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2021, 09:40:51 AM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2021, 09:56:01 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on August 22, 2021, 01:02:27 AM
Anyone here still think he’s good?

there are zero Nagy fans first here
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2021, 10:57:36 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on August 23, 2021, 09:56:01 AM
there are zero Nagy fans first here

He'll likely be gone next year.  He needs to have a really good season to stay, and the schedule is really tough.  Not to mention the choice between a rookie or a backup-quality QB.

Doubt anyone will cry if he doesn't meet expectations and is fired this year.

That said, he hasn't been quite the disaster some people want to paint him as.  The Bears have had a heck of a lot of coaches who didn't have as much success.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2021, 11:44:35 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on August 23, 2021, 10:57:36 AM
He'll likely be gone next year.  He needs to have a really good season to stay, and the schedule is really tough.  Not to mention the choice between a rookie or a backup-quality QB.

Doubt anyone will cry if he doesn't meet expectations and is fired this year.

That said, he hasn't been quite the disaster some people want to paint him as.  The Bears have had a heck of a lot of coaches who didn't have as much success.

Pretty solid (to great) defense in a weak division, minus the Packers. Even the Packers wouldn’t look as good in a tough division IMO.

So let’s say for the sake of debate  the Bears go 7-10 this year. Does Pace go, too? Surely they can’t let Pace hire his successor. But they did let Pace draft Trubisky’s successor, so who knows. I have no idea to pretend what owenership thinks.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2021, 11:48:37 AM »
Quote from: Jobu on August 23, 2021, 11:28:13 AM
The Bears are garbage.  I expect nothing out of them, and nothing is what I usually get.

Yes, there have been worse coaches.  John Fox was just wasting time here.  But Nagy has not gotten it done.  He either needs to let the play calling go and figure out how to head coach, or go somewhere and be an offensive coordinator.

Yeah, Fox brought zero excitement but at least you thought you were getting a bonafide NFL coach. He was a worse version of Cubs’ Lou Pinella.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2021, 11:49:44 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on August 23, 2021, 09:56:01 AM
there are zero Nagy fans first here

There were some puffing his peter pretty hard a couple years ago.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2021, 12:59:38 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on August 23, 2021, 11:28:13 AM
The Bears are garbage.  I expect nothing out of them, and nothing is what I usually get.

Yes, there have been worse coaches.  John Fox was just wasting time here.  But Nagy has not gotten it done.  He either needs to let the play calling go and figure out how to head coach, or go somewhere and be an offensive coordinator.

There have been few 'better' coaches, at least in terms of results, in my lifetime.  It's basically Nagy and Ditka, kind of Lovie in the last 60 years (post-Halas).

That doesn't mean he's good 'enough' by any means, but in terms of results he's been better than most coaches the Bears have had in the last six decades.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2021, 01:05:36 PM »
The biggest thing that makes me pessimistic this year isn't the coach or roster, but the schedule.  It's one of the toughest in recent memory for any team.

I don't expect Nagy to last, unless they hit a big lottery win with Fields.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2021, 01:06:15 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on August 23, 2021, 01:00:56 PM
Which is like being the valedictorian of your summer school class.

I don't agree - if you win more games than you lose as an NFL coach, you're probably not a total disaster.  Winning NFL games ain't easy.

EDITED TO ADD:  Also, I am pretty quick to disregard the "yeah but he had a great roster!" thing.  Ignoring that I think it overstates how good the Bears' roster actually is, pretty much every great coach ever has had a great roster.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2021, 01:10:27 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on August 23, 2021, 01:00:06 PM
I don't think the Bears win 7 games.  Maybe 5.

And if you fire Nagy, you have to fire Pace.  Start from scratch.  Which this shit organization I'm sure is not prepared to do.  Because if you think you're going to have to do that, (which you most likely will), you have to have some kind of plan, like right fucking now, on what the fuck you're gonna do.

Which I'm sure they don't.  I'm tired of the fucking Bears.  Pure shit garbage.  And they are going to fucking ruin Justin Fields.  Hell, they would have ruined Tom Brady.  Or Peyton Manning.

I agree, firing Pace “should” be a no-brainer if they tank; but we’re talking about the Bears, so who knows?
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2021, 01:13:20 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on August 23, 2021, 01:06:15 PM
I don't agree - if you win more games than you lose as an NFL coach, you're probably not a total disaster.  Winning NFL games ain't easy.

EDITED TO ADD:  Also, I am pretty quick to disregard the "yeah but he had a great roster!" thing.  Ignoring that I think it overstates how good the Bears' roster actually is, pretty much every great coach ever has had a great roster.

Again, weak division. And IIRC they’ve also had some schedules that weren’t that brutal. Also, that defense was really great his first couple years. Especially year one, by far his best year.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2021, 01:14:06 PM »
The 2018 defense was one of the top 10 single season defensive teams of all-time.
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Re: Matt Nagy
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2021, 01:23:29 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on August 23, 2021, 01:13:20 PM
Again, weak division. And IIRC they’ve also had some schedules that weren’t that brutal. Also, that defense was really great his first couple years. Especially year one, by far his best year.

Yes, he had a solid roster and a great defense, no doubt.  That doesn't discredit him as much to me as it does to you.  Winning NFL games just isn't easy.  Most great coaches in all sports come with great rosters.  Very few coaches have carried mediocre talent to the promised land.

On the flip side of the defense, he's had a bad-to-awful offensive line and pretty brutal QB play for most of his time in Chicago.  Those are tough things to overcome for anyone.  And he certainly deserves some blame, especially for the QB play and playcalling, but not all of it.
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